Yep. Explain it to me. Where did the word Jehovah come from?
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Can someone explain the Trinity please...
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cataway
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it would be nice if you could get your story straight . for the record , Jehovah is God . Jesus is the son of God .
Jesus was the sacrifice
cataway
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Kolibri
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Seriously? This is like saying Jesus is not I-e-sous' or Ye-shu'a' or Yehoh-shu'a', so you must have another Son of God.
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
It is in English and has been for centuries. Psalm 83:18 KJV
Yep. I can. First. you're wrong. The sacrifices didn't cease until the temple was destroyed by the Romans. So what's that? 35 to 40 years after Jesus died?
Second, as a JW, you have a really big problem with human Jesus being the sacrifice.
Jewish BLOOD SACRIFICES only cover sins of OMISSION/unintentional sins.
You're out of luck for covering sins of COMMISSION.
So, even if God accepted human sacrifice which he does not, tell me how does the blood sacrifice of your human Jesus cover sins of commission?
Kolibri
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Daniel 9:27a pointed out that when Jesus died, sacrifice and gift offering would cease. Just because the sacrifices were still being preformed does not mean that they were looked upon with favor anymore.
(see also Hebrews 9:11,12;10:8-10)
My story has always been straight. Jesus is God.
But they didn't CEASE. Read what you post.
For just centuries? Wow. It's amazing how you criticize Christendom but take your name from a Catholic invention. The first recorded use of this spelling (Jehovah) was made by a Spanish Dominican monk, Raymundus Martini, in 1270
But Jesus never used the word Jehovah. Just Father.
Kolibri
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their validity ceased. they no longer had any benefit. Sacrifices mean nothing if there is no one receiving them.
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Kolibri
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"I have made your name known to them and will make it known," - John 17:26a Father is a title.
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JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
Hmmmm...."Our Father who art in heaven HALLOWED BE THY NAME"
You stopped a little short. His name is not "Father" and it's not "God" or "Lord"...its YHWH, commonly translated as Jehovah or Yahweh.
“Jehovah” is the best knownEnglish pronunciation of the divine name, although “Yahweh” is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present the name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek te·tra-,meaning “four,” and gram′ma, “letter”). These four letters (written from right to left) are יהוה and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH).
The Hebrew consonants of the name are therefore known. The question is, Which vowels are to be combined with those consonants? Vowel points did not come into use in Hebrew until the second half of the first millennium C.E.
Furthermore, because of a religious superstition that had begun centuries earlier, the vowel pointing found in Hebrew manuscripts does not provide the key for determining which vowels should appear in the divine name.
When Jesus said...."I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” (John 17:26) He was speaking about the divine name YHWH which the Jews were told was his name forever.(Ex 3:15)
It is freely used throughout the Hebrew Scriptures without hesitation....so is a man-made tradition going to be allowed to obscure the most precious name in existence? I don't think so.
The originator of language knows his name in all tongues. Or do you think he just speaks Hebrew?
Do you believe that we should alter the Bible to remove all the "J" names because they incorporate Jehovah's name into them...Jeremiah....Jehonadab....Jehoshaphat...and so many more. There is no "J" in Hebrew.
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Since you like church history before the 'weeds' took control, let's see what the church says on the matter..
Avoiding pronouncing the tetragrammaton of the name of God on the part of the Church has therefore its own grounds. Apart from a motive of a purely philological order, there is also that of remaining faithful to the Church's tradition, from the beginning, that the sacred tetragrammaton was never pronounced in the Christian context nor translated into any of the languages into which the Bible was translated.
How about some Jesus history?
As the New Testament bears witness, Jesus Christ never used Yahweh in his prayer, never taught his disciples to use this term, never would have conceived of using it. In fact, Jesus Christ and his disciples would have been shocked and scandalized by any use of Yahweh. The term had been out of common usage for three hundred years. It was excluded from the liturgy by the traditions that the Messiah said he had come to uphold (Matthew 5:17-19). Christians, then, should follow the example and teaching of the one they acknowledge as their Messiah.
Kolibri
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Under the heading “Tetragrammaton in the New Testament,” TheAnchorBibleDictionary states: “There is some evidence that the Tetragrammaton, the Divine Name, Yahweh, appeared in some or all of the O[ld] T[estament] quotations in the N[ew] T[estament] when the NT documents were first penned.” Scholar George Howard says: “Since the Tetragram was still written in the copies of the Greek Bible [the Septuagint] which made up the Scriptures of the early church, it is reasonable to believe that the N[ew] T[estament] writers, when quoting from Scripture, preserved the Tetragram within the biblical text.”
The Tosefta, a written collection of oral laws that was completed by about 300 C.E., says with regard to Christian writings that were burned on the Sabbath: “The books of the Evangelists and the books of the minim [thought to be Jewish Christians] they do not save from a fire. But they are allowed to burn where they are, they and the references to the Divine Name which are in them.” This same source quotes Rabbi Yosé the Galilean, who lived at the beginning of the second century C.E., as saying that on other days of the week, “one cuts out the references to the Divine Name which are in them [understood to refer to the Christian writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns.”
Kolibri
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In the mid-20th century, some very old fragments of the Greek Septuagint version that existed in Jesus’ day were brought to the attention of scholars. Those fragments contain the personal name of God, written in Hebrew characters. So in Jesus’ day, copies of the Scriptures in Greek did contain the divine name. However, by the fourth century C.E., major manuscripts of the Greek Septuagint, such as the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, did not contain the divine name in the books from Genesis through Malachi (where it had been in earlier manuscripts). Hence, it is not surprising that in texts preserved from that time period, the divine name is not found in the so-called New Testament, or Greek Scripture portion of the Bible.
- A5 The Divine Name in the Christian Greek Scriptures — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
- A5 The Divine Name in the Christian Greek Scriptures — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
Kolibri
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Personally I find it very scandalous when we, mere humans, choose to invalidate scripture through tradition. Even when that tradition has been around long enough to become history.
"He said to them: 'Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites, as it is written, "This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines." You let go of the commandment of God and cling to the tradition of men.'" - Mark 7:6-8
This includes the tradition to hide God's name.
"He said to them: 'Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites, as it is written, "This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines." You let go of the commandment of God and cling to the tradition of men.'" - Mark 7:6-8
This includes the tradition to hide God's name.