Can someone please explain to me why a "drag show" is suddenly the epitome of evil?

[fantome profane]

Been a little while, anyone want to take another shot at it?

I still can see no why a man in a dress reading to children is a bad thing. I think it is a wonderful thing to do for children, and I don't care if they are dressed like a woman, or a cowboy, or an astronaut, or a wizard ....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Been a little while, anyone want to take another shot at it?

I still can see no why a man in a dress reading to children is a bad thing. I think it is a wonderful thing to do for children, and I don't care if they are dressed like a woman, or a cowboy, or an astronaut, or a wizard ....

Hmm, I can think of one example of great harm being done by someone dressed inappropriately:

Spoiler: It is just too hideous

 

[Shaul]

Been a little while, anyone want to take another shot at it?

I still can see no why a man in a dress reading to children is a bad thing. I think it is a wonderful thing to do for children, and I don't care if they are dressed like a woman, or a cowboy, or an astronaut, or a wizard ....

Would you feel the same if they were in drag wearing MAGA hats and reading Christian materials?

 

[fantome profane]

Would you feel the same if they were in drag wearing MAGA hats and reading Christian materials?

Wonderful. Much better than what people wearing MAGA hats usually do.

Better they are inside reading to children than outside shouting hateful garbage.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would you feel the same if they were in drag wearing MAGA hats and reading Christian materials?

@Shaul agrees with me!!

 

[Shaul]

Wonderful. Much better than what people wearing MAGA hats usually do.

Better they are inside reading to children than outside shouting hateful garbage.

Fine. Now let's go a step further. How would you feel about people who did NOT dress in drag but still wore MAGA hats and read Christian and conservative books to the children?

 

[Polymath257]

Fine. Now let's go a step further. How would you feel about people who did NOT dress in drag but still wore MAGA hats and read Christian and conservative books to the children?

At least they are helping children learn to read. They would probably be boring, though.

 

[fantome profane]

Fine. Now let's go a step further. How would you feel about people who did NOT dress in drag but still wore MAGA hats and read Christian and conservative books to the children?

Wonderful. Much better than what people wearing MAGA hats usually do.

Better they are inside reading to children than outside shouting hateful garbage.



What would make you think I was such a bigot that the way they dress would make any difference?

Are you projecting?

 

[Shaul]

Wonderful. Much better than what people wearing MAGA hats usually do.

Better they are inside reading to children than outside shouting hateful garbage.



What would make you think I was such a bigot that the way they dress would make any difference?

Are you projecting?

You have referred to those that wear MAGA hats as rabid insane morons, idiots, sexists, and fascists on RF. So it is quite reasonable for someone to presume you might object to MAGA hat wearers reading to children. Unless you are confirming you wouldn’t mind rabid, insane, moronic, idiotic, sexist, fascists reading to children.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have referred to those that wear MAGA hats as rabid insane morons, idiots, sexists, and fascists on RF. So it is quite reasonable for someone to presume you might object to MAGA hat wearers reading to children. Unless you are confirming you wouldn’t mind rabid, insane, moronic, idiotic, sexist, fascists reading to children.

Wait a second you are being inconsistent again. People in drag are not women. You have stated so yourself. Now you are proposing that people dressed up as MAGA's, but clearly not show up. I think that it could be very educational to have fairly accurate parodies of MAGA's used to teach children to show them how not to act.

 

[syo]

A man wearing a dress = a man wearing a dress

a man wearing a dress =/= a woman

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Even as a kid I was queer and knew it. In denial, but it's who I've always been.

Just a question out of curiousity....when did you know?
It's possibly hard to remember, but I reckon I was about 8 before I had even a slight interest in girls.

(Note : question isn't really pertinent to the OP in my opinion, just wondering)

 

[Father Heathen]

Fine. Now let's go a step further. How would you feel about people who did NOT dress in drag but still wore MAGA hats and read Christian and conservative books to the children?

They already do; it's called Sunday school.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think that kindergarten kids might be confused learning of the LGBT universe at such a young age.
In my humble opinion.

I know this post was from last year but how would the existence of LGBT people "confuse" kids anymore than anything else?

 

[Father Heathen]

A man wearing a dress = a man wearing a dress

a man wearing a dress =/= a woman

What a dopey oversimplification.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just a question out of curiousity....when did you know?
It's possibly hard to remember, but I reckon I was about 8 before I had even a slight interest in girls.

(Note : question isn't really pertinent to the OP in my opinion, just wondering)

I was very young, about 3 or 4, when I became more consciously aware of boys do this and girls do that (preschool; I grew up so isolated there was no neighborhood or community or other kids around growing up). I'd already been told no when it came to asking for girl's toys and having that explained to me, and it's also when the struggles began because I was stereotypical as an autistic kid in regards to being rigidly black and white in thinking.
When I first had any idea of being trans was when I was maybe 7 or 8 and read something about it in the news paper, but I would deny and struggle with it for many years.
Acceptance didn't happen until about my early/mid 20s, but I held back for several years afraid of the social consequences.

 

[Kfox]

Really? It seems that some take it as an established fact that drag is dangerous. And I don't know why. And I wonder if even they know why. I wonder if they have ever actually examined their position.

So explain it to me. I say if I guy wants to put on a dress and read a book to children that is a good thing. More people should do this. And I don't care if they dress up like a clown, or a puppy or in drag.

They see this (and other things) as going after their children.

 

[Stevicus]

Been a little while, anyone want to take another shot at it?

I still can see no why a man in a dress reading to children is a bad thing. I think it is a wonderful thing to do for children, and I don't care if they are dressed like a woman, or a cowboy, or an astronaut, or a wizard ....

I would see it as no different from a stage play with the reader as an actor in costume. I remember hearing about some teachers who would dress in the roles of whatever they were teaching. If they were teaching about the American Revolution, they might put on a George Washington costume.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I would see it as no different from a stage play with the reader as an actor in costume. I remember hearing about some teachers who would dress in the roles of whatever they were teaching. If they were teaching about the American Revolution, they might put on a George Washington costume.

Going a little Devils Advocate (though I personally could care less, and my 2 year old attends a drag story hour at our local library)...

...not all costumes are created equally. Assuming a 'white' male reader, if the reader dressed up as George Washington, we might not care.
If they dressed up as Sitting Bull, we might.
And if they wore blackface and dressed up as Rosa Parks, it's more likely the blackface than the dress which would cause issue.

Not arguing that drag is like blackface. Merely that most of us have costumes or clothing we'd see as inappropriate in reading to children.

I don't see a 'normal' drag outfit as problematic, personally.

 

[Stevicus]

Going a little Devils Advocate (though I personally could care less, and my 2 year old attends a drag story hour at our local library)...

...not all costumes are created equally. Assuming a 'white' male reader, if the reader dressed up as George Washington, we might not care.
If they dressed up as Sitting Bull, we might.
And if they wore blackface and dressed up as Rosa Parks, it's more likely the blackface than the dress which would cause issue.

Not arguing that drag is like blackface. Merely that most of us have costumes or clothing we'd see as inappropriate in reading to children.

I don't see a 'normal' drag outfit as problematic, personally.

Well, yes, those are some good points, especially about the blackface. That probably wouldn't fly.

Likewise, if a man played the role of a pro-Confederate Southern Belle, that would also be problematic and probably wouldn't really go over too well.