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Can we compromise on abortion?

Koldo

Koldo

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Clizby Wampuscat said:
No such thing as free anything. Look at the US debt. If a child is a financial burden to you then don't have one. I would say it is immoral to have a child you cannot support financially or emotionally etc.
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If you do it either intentionally or as a result of recklessness, I agree. But if it is an accident, now what?
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

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It seems you are pretty alone with your opinion, even in your own camp. None of the states which have restricted abortions have also set up programs to help the women they force into birthing. What about that?
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What help are you expecting? In Texas there are food programs, education programs, child care programs, health care programs for people that cannot afford them. There is also the ACA.

Still moral to force pregnancy on women and refusing to help? Is it moral to endanger the life of a woman because an as good as dead fetus is not allowed to be aborted (like happened in Texas)? Is it moral to force a 10 year old rape victim to stay pregnant (or cross state lines for the needed abortion) like happened in Ohio?
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Most women are not forced to get pregnant. Texas State Law has exceptions for endangering the life of the mother. Texas HB1280 | 2021-2022 | 87th Legislature

In the case of a rape that should be an exception. I hope the mother would have the child though.

Those are the results of anti abortion laws. That is the reality. I think I said it before, the debate is not about the morality of abortions but about the reality of abortion laws.
Would you agree that abortion laws should be formulated so that the life and health of the pregnant person is not endangered? And that abortion restrictions should only be put into law together with a program that ensures health and support for child and mother?
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I do agree that if the health of the mother is endangered it should be left up tp the mother.

Again what do you mean by health and support?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
How do you get pregnant accidentally?
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Hmm, somebody failed sex ed..

You still have no valid response to the issue of bodily autonomy. You would not allow some stranger to hook themselves up to you for nine months so that they could share a kidney, and that is far less extreme than what happens to a woman for nine months.

When you are willing to foster someone for nine months in that manner then I will take your claims of being "pro-life" seriously.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Do you think abortion up to birth should be legal? When would you restrict abortion?
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Why make laws for problems that do not exist? By week 22 over 99% of the abortions that occur during a pregnancy have already happened. The remaining 1% are almost all tragedies in that they are medically necessary abortions. You appear to have a rather low opinion of women. In a matter as serious as this they do not tend to be any more whimsical than men, and in fact probably less so. And the very very very few women that would opt for such a procedure are all but guaranteed to be horrible mothers.

Why not just limit insurance coverage after 22 weeks? Only cover medically necessary abortions.
 
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Sargonski

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Clizby Wampuscat said:
I am not talking about tyranny of the majority, I am talking about speed limits, laws against rape, murder etc.

The argument is if human life should be protected. Also, no one can give a coherent answer to if a soul exists.
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Nah .. you don't know what your talking about mate - all over the map .. Forced medical treatment and the Krystalnacht - yet havn't figured out who you sound like .. Mind bending lack of understanding .. not being able to figure out that threatening someone's job "Vax or lose Job" --- is "FORCED Medical Treatment"

But that is another issue .. 100% you are talking tyranny of the Majority ... just don't know it ,, due to lack of understanding of what the term means. Second -- you failed to distinguish Law with respect to Essential Liberty .. and Law which is not "Rape, Murder and arguably speed limits"

and the argument is not that "Human life should be protected" .. as that is a preposterously stupid argument ... failing to understand the difference between the noun and descriptive adjective use of the word "Human" The Dump you had this morning is "Human LIfe" .. so no .. the argument is not that your morning defication should be protected.

What you are trying to say is that tht argument is "A HUMAN" or "Life of a HUman" or " the life of a Person" should be protected .. but even with the correction you are still wrong ..

There is no debate about whether or not we should protect a Human from harm - until you first show that A Human Exists .... there is no "LIfe of a HUMAN" unless a human exists. .. not A Human Cell a human heart cell .. a human bacterial cell .

and yes .. a coherent answer can be given for the existence of a Soul --- and in fact was already given you.. just not for the existence of a soul prior to around 22 weeks... so prior to this time ..with no soul .. there is no Person .. No Human to be protected.
 
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Sargonski

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Clizby Wampuscat said:
How do you get pregnant accidentally?
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Condom breaks .. badda bing .. badda bong .. at which point it would be nice to be able to rush out to any 24 hour pharmacy and get the pill .. prior to the sperm even reaching the egg .. no harm no foul ball .. but a state of idiocy has come upon certain states .. hell bent on authoritarianism .. of a particularly nasty theocratic nature .. forcing religious belief on others through physical violence .. an extremely disgusting anathema to the founding principle ..and of the Constitutional Republic.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sargonski said:
Condom breaks .. badda bing .. badda bong .. at which point it would be nice to be able to rush out to any 24 hour pharmacy and get the pill .. prior to the sperm even reaching the egg .. no harm no foul ball .. but a state of idiocy has come upon certain states .. hell bent on authoritarianism .. of a particularly nasty theocratic nature .. forcing religious belief on others through physical violence .. an extremely disgusting anathema to the founding principle ..and of the Constitutional Republic.
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Condoms? Rats, too lazy to link Every Sperm is Sacred.
 
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Sargonski

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Subduction Zone said:
Condoms? Rats, too lazy to link Every Sperm is Sacred.
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Brought to you not from the Bible .. but - from a Historical Personage with long track record of getting it wrong .. like declaring that Cats were devilish ... spawning a wave of Cat Killings and Torture in the Middle of Ages Much of which Todays Popes have apologized

Religious Dogma uplifted .. To the sky -- to be broght down as a bolt .. persecuting those who would disobey .. muaahhh haaa .. haaaa !!

Just because you a believa .. doesn't mean ya need to do the Sharia .. :)
 
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