• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Can we have different beliefs and still have peace.

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
This is one of the hot questions of the age. Throughout history our opposing beliefs have led to wars, division, hatred and prejudice - anything but peace.

However, now that we can view the entire planet as one globe and have things like the internet, are we now able to finally establish some form of peace?

What if there was only one thing you had to believe for the world to have peace. Would you embrace it? And you could get to keep your own belief as well.

If all you had to accept was that all humans are your equal could you do that? Could you accept all humanity as your equal?

Sounds easy doesn't it? But in practise we have been unable to do it without allowing our nationality, race, religion or culture to interfere causing further conflict.

So whatever our religion or as an atheist or any other position are we aware we might be erecting barriers unknowingly between us and our fellow man?

Isn't peace up to all of us and not just the politicians? Shouldn't our attitude be one of unconditional acceptance of one another if we really want peace? We don't have to always agree but shouldn't we be tolerant?

b2c31caf3131694f4d8f1cd71a8f6d10.png
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
If we took the politics and territorial nature of religions out and see the holistic and point each religion addresses, I think we can find some peace. I think it's more the religions and how people interpret it to separate themselves from those who disbelief. I meet a lot of religious who are genuinely kind and are not mean to those who differ. However, because they differ in beliefs with another, their bias will keep them thinking separate. That's not peace and tolerance isn't a good word.

I don't know how there can be peace if people follow religions that separate themselves from others (rather).
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Striving for peace is wise, expecting peace is naive.
Harmony is the best you can hope for, and it's the easiest to achieve.

Step 1: Create a system of law that is logical, rational and non-biased on the grounds of growing a stable society.

Step 2: Let nothing rise above that law, be it money or any group beliefs.

Sounds easy, but our human race seems a tad bit dumb most of the time.
Certain countries are getting close to realizing said harmony, but close isn't good enough.

America was one of the close ones, before it's people slacked off at step 2.
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
External peace can only happen amongst mature adults, who can accept the fact that others can and should be allowed to hold and practice different beliefs from one's own beliefs.

The problem is, there are few of these mature adults.

Long story short, external peace can only happen when individuals involved possess internal peace.
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
This is one of the hot questions of the age. Throughout history our opposing beliefs have led to wars, division, hatred and prejudice - anything but peace.

However, now that we can view the entire planet as one globe and have things like the internet, are we now able to finally establish some form of peace?

What if there was only one thing you had to believe for the world to have peace. Would you embrace it? And you could get to keep your own belief as well.
People could get to keep their own belief as well?

There're people who're pedophile, criminal, terrorist, rapist and murderer, if they believe it's okay for them to commit crime and the government shouldn't punish them, can they also keeps that beliefs too?

If there're people who believes all humans are not equal, can they keep that beliefs too?

If all you had to accept was that all humans are your equal could you do that? Could you accept all humanity as your equal?
Equal
Adjective - Being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value.
Noun - a person or thing considered to be the same as another in status or quality.

Hitler is also a part of humanity, should people view him as equal to them too?

Sounds easy doesn't it? But in practise we have been unable to do it without allowing our nationality, race, religion or culture to interfere causing further conflict.
Nationality, race, religion or culture have influence on what we believes.
You previously say people could keep their own beliefs, now you say their own beliefs conflict with the beliefs you ask them to accept, can they keep their own beliefs or not?

So whatever our religion or as an atheist or any other position are we aware we might be erecting barriers unknowingly between us and our fellow man?
Many different version of religions' Gods say every non-believer will go to hell and command their followers to preach his words/moral/law to the world, many of those Gods' words/moral/law contribute to the barriers you're talking about, please ask those Gods/believers stop making barriers already.

Oh no, some or many of them say they're helping people to avoid hell and they'll not stop preaching until the end of the day that their Gods comes to earth to bring them to heavens, so you ask when'll the peace comes...?

When the Gods comes then there might be peace...

If the Gods doesn't come, who'll know when will peace comes once and for all...

In the mean time, some people continue to live their live.
Some people continue to wonder when will the peace come.
Some people will make their effort to bring peace into the world.

Whew, some people's peace is that when everyone only eats apple then they'll be have peace of mind. Because their religion's god told them people who continue to eat apple will go to hell.
While majority of people have no problem if anyone wish to eat fruits other than apple because their god haven't told them so or they're atheist.
What an odd version of peace it is. :p

Isn't peace up to all of us and not just the politicians?
Who say peace is only up to politicians?

Shouldn't our attitude be one of unconditional acceptance of one another if we really want peace?
Does that including unconditionally accept the crime of pedophile, criminal, terrorist, rapist and murderer?

We don't have to always agree but shouldn't we be tolerant?
Does the things you say we should tolerate including the crime done by pedophile, criminal, terrorist, rapist and murderer?
 
Last edited:

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
External peace can only happen amongst mature adults, who can accept the fact that others can and should be allowed to hold and practice different beliefs from one's own beliefs.

The problem is, there are few of these mature adults.

Long story short, external peace can only happen when individuals involved possess internal peace.

Maturity and education I agree are important keys to the peace process. If we can learn to just live and let live without interfering then we can make some headway.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
People could get to keep their own belief as well?

There're people who're pedophile, criminal, terrorist, rapist and murderer, if they believe it's okay for them to commit crime and the government shouldn't punish them, can they also keeps that beliefs too?

If there're people who believes all humans are not equal, can they keep that beliefs too?


Equal
Adjective - Being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value.
Noun - a person or thing considered to be the same as another in status or quality.

Hitler is also a part of humanity, should people view him as equal to them too?


Nationality, race, religion or culture have influence on what we believes.
You previously say people could keep their own beliefs, now you say their own beliefs conflict with the beliefs you ask them to accept, can they keep their own beliefs or not?


Many different version of religions' Gods say every non-believer will go to hell and command their followers to preach his words/moral/law to the world, many of those Gods' words/moral/law contribute to the barriers you're talking about, please ask those Gods/believers stop making barriers already.

Oh no, some or many of them say they're helping people to avoid hell and they'll not stop preaching until the end of the day that their Gods comes to earth to bring them to heavens, so you ask when'll the peace comes...?

When the Gods comes then there might be peace...

If the Gods doesn't come, who'll know when will peace comes once and for all...

In the mean time, some people continue to live their live.
Some people continue to wonder when will the peace come.
Some people will make their effort to bring peace into the world.

Whew, some people's peace is that when everyone only eats apple then they'll be have peace of mind. Because their religion's god told them people who continue to eat apple will go to hell.
While majority of people have no problem if anyone wish to eat fruits other than apple because their god haven't told them so or they're atheist.
What an odd version of peace it is. :p


Who say peace is only up to politicians?


Does that including unconditionally accept the crime of pedophile, criminal, terrorist, rapist and murderer?


Does the things you say we should tolerate including the crime done by pedophile, criminal, terrorist, rapist and murderer?

Criminal activity of course is not accepted but in general we accept and tolerate the diversity of races, religions, cultures and nationalities.

My understanding is that the barriers to peace are ones we erect in our own minds towards our fellow man.

Putting love for humanity first includes love of ones race, country religion and culture but priority is humanity first.

Accepting our diversity is what is key. For instance the flowers of a garden though different shape, size and color add to its beauty and in the human garden we can learn to see the differences as beauty rather than threatening.
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
However, now that we can view the entire planet as one globe and have things like the internet, are we now able to finally establish some form of peace?

Unlikely.

What if there was only one thing you had to believe for the world to have peace. Would you embrace it? And you could get to keep your own belief as well.

Depends on the belief, and whether my pre-existing beliefs conflicted with it or not.

If all you had to accept was that all humans are your equal could you do that? Could you accept all humanity as your equal?

No. We're pretty patently not all equal.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
What if there was only one thing you had to believe for the world to have peace. Would you embrace it? And you could get to keep your own belief as well.

If all you had to accept was that all humans are your equal could you do that? Could you accept all humanity as your equal?

Sounds easy doesn't it? But in practise we have been unable to do it without allowing our nationality, race, religion or culture to interfere causing further conflict.

The "in practice" part is actually the debatable part, but is a profound intellectual debate to have. Arguably it is only a debate one has with one's own self (and judgment of humanity). As long as the belief is "we have been unable to do it," it will seem to the believer that it cannot be done, or perhaps more profoundly, isn't occurring right now. As in (genuine) peace is occurring right now, and is always being done. Yet, there is the illusion of peace, and this stems from the illusion that amounts to 'lack of war.'

I find routinely that people are very accepting of humanity, but the all part is what seems lacking. Why is this so? Why really is this so? Is it because of them people over there doing things that amount to they are at diametrically opposed positions and neither has found an apparent way to work it out? On the surface of things, it definitely appears that way. That's the illusion. That's denying own responsibility of how to actually see what is actually occurring. Below the surface is own judgment on how to understand that, deeming it is them that has the conflict, not I who is seeing (projecting) the conflict onto them, as part of my world, my worldview. Could, rather easily, view that as they are earnestly working together to experience the illusion of peace (the lack of war), and filter it through idea that they both have peace, both desire (illusion of peace) and my judgment or how I choose to witness to this is they are successful now and seek to increase their own understandings of peace. Thus the notion of "unable" goes bye bye. Dissolved into the nothingness of a judgment from where it came.
 
Top