Can You Be Good Without God?

[Magic Man]

i say if the person is being a jerk, let it go, let them pass and be on their way
this person being a jerk has nothing to do with you
more often than not people are not being intentional jerks...

That's fine, but that's not how I operate. If someone's being a jerk, I like to treat them accordingly. If people constantly get away with things, then they're just going to do those things more. It's like the only reason so many people go as far up as they can in a lane that's ending so that they can cut in front of as many people as possible is that it works and people let them do it.

And it doesn't matter whether they're doing it intentionally. I know that a lot of them are just oblivious, but that's just as bad. It's part of the whole lack of consideration for others.

 

[waitasec]

That's fine, but that's not how I operate. If someone's being a jerk, I like to treat them accordingly. If people constantly get away with things, then they're just going to do those things more. It's like the only reason so many people go as far up as they can in a lane that's ending so that they can cut in front of as many people as possible is that it works and people let them do it.

And it doesn't matter whether they're doing it intentionally. I know that a lot of them are just oblivious, but that's just as bad. It's part of the whole lack of consideration for others.

i see it like, you make the problem yours as soon as you decide to retaliate
life is full of jerks, and unfair situations...it's the way we react that determines what type of person we are...

you are the defender of justice
me, i'm a whimp...

 

[Magic Man]

i see it like, you make the problem yours as soon as you decide to retaliate
life is full of jerks, and unfair situations...it's the way we react that determines what type of person we are...

you are the defender of justice
me, i'm a whimp...

I understand. The way I see it, though, is if you let the jerks be jerks, you only make the problem worse. It's like letting someone bully someone else.

 

[dogsgod]

Can one be good with God, that is the question.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Can one be good with God, that is the question.

one can be good in the sight of some , but he might be evil in the sight of other.

so lets take a Genghis Khan as an example,

in mongolia he is considered as inspiring good father for mongolians, in the other hand he is considered as an evil leader who comitted a genocides among muslim and christian nations

 

[Faithfreedom]

The bible has the word of god saying he (god) and followers (man) should slay rape and torture thy enemy. Kill the men and rape the women and children. That is the word of god god, not satan/god.....

In the OT, it does say slay but not rape and torture thy enemy. Besides that was for OT times and it was not without justification. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/biblical-debates/105775-new-covenant-christians.html

 

[blackout]

Pat Robertson IS 'the charity'. no?

 

[blackout]

Do you think the 700 club is on Buffett and Gates' charities lists?

 

[waitasec]

In the OT, it does say slay but not rape and torture thy enemy. Besides that was for OT times and it was not without justification. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/biblical-debates/105775-new-covenant-christians.html

numbers 31:15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

where is the justification to rape little girls?
what is the difference between now and the OT times? a child is a child under the new and old covenant. it's the same god.

deuteronomy 22:28-29
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/100834-gods-punishment-rape.html

the only difference between the OT and the NT is the "ultimate sacrifice" has been made but god can't change his mind in regards to laws of how his "children" treat each other?

the golden rule wasn't a new idea jesus brought to the table it had been around long before
The Golden Rule

it's found in the OT but you need to remember the context of what the word "neighbor" is: according to the Jews, any member of the Hebrew nation and commonwealth

Search for 'neighbor' - NAS - Include Study Resources - Study Desk

matthew 22:39 cross reference is Leviticus 19:18
18 " 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

i also wonder how the good samaritan story would have been interpreted had the jew helped the samaritan instead. i think that would have been a much better parable giving a better insight to the word neighbor..but nonetheless the interpretation only justifies treating your friend, not others in general, as you would like to be treated...

 

[Revoltingest]

Can one be good with God, that is the question.

Can one be good without atheism?

 

[dogsgod]

Can one be good without atheism?

Good question.

 

[Faithfreedom]

numbers 31:15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

where is the justification to rape little girls?

I would say that OT times are hard to understand from where we stand today.
Taking a verse from here and there may make god looks bad. But that's not the way to come to an unbiased conclusion about the christian's god. One should read the bible in its entirety to know what it really teaches and to look at the practioners to see whether they are practicing what the bible teaches. I'm sure that you will agree that a real christian do not go out and rape little girls. Neither will most people say that the bible teaches one to do so.

As to where is the justification to rape little girls, off-hand i would say "None - there is no justification". But what is the whole story about that event, I guess one has to do more research if one really want to understand it.

what is the difference between now and the OT times? a child is a child under the new and old covenant. it's the same god.

People of the OT times have different standards and felt differently about things than us. When Noah got drunk and his son saw him asleep naked, Noah later cursed him when he found out. If it were me, i would have just laughed it off. Under the new covenant, the law of god is writen in our hearts. We also receive his holy spirit. That makes all the difference in the world. It makes our hearts not as hard as those people of old.

the only difference between the OT and the NT is the "ultimate sacrifice" has been made but god can't change his mind in regards to laws of how his "children" treat each other?

God does not change his mind. He wants us to treat each other as brethren. But OT times and OT people being what they are, necessitates such measures.

the golden rule wasn't a new idea jesus brought to the table it had been around long before

almost an instinct, wouldn't you say? That's because god put that in mankind. Its called humanity.

 

[MW0082]

In the OT, it does say slay but not rape and torture thy enemy. Besides that was for OT times and it was not without justification. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/biblical-debates/105775-new-covenant-christians.html

Regardless it said it, it's simple Christian illogical nonsense to say "it was justified at the times" or "we have revised it"...

How many times can you change the word of God.....?

 

[Faithfreedom]

Regardless it said it, it's simple Christian illogical nonsense to say "it was justified at the times" or "we have revised it"...

How many times can you change the word of God.....?

True, the bible said it.
The bible doesn't change.
God doesn't change.
Its just that i do not fully understand the bible or God and therefore could not give you a satisfactory answer.

 

[MW0082]

True, the bible said it.
The bible doesn't change.
God doesn't change.
Its just that i do not fully understand the bible or God and therefore could not give you a satisfactory answer.

The bible has changed, from the OT to the NT,a dn king James version and so on and so on...

The word of god has changed so many times I am wondering if god themselves speak in toungues.

My point is that Christians change their views according to the times. Which means they change their bible and their god. It's laughable to see the word of god in the OT and Christians will state well thats changed.

How can you change the word of god? Basically it comes down to being wrong and not wanting to admit it or apologize fior the herendous things they have committed in the name of god...

 

[waitasec]

I would say that OT times are hard to understand from where we stand today.
Taking a verse from here and there may make god looks bad. But that's not the way to come to an unbiased conclusion about the christian's god. One should read the bible in its entirety to know what it really teaches and to look at the practioners to see whether they are practicing what the bible teaches. I'm sure that you will agree that a real christian do not go out and rape little girls. Neither will most people say that the bible teaches one to do so.

As to where is the justification to rape little girls, off-hand i would say "None - there is no justification". But what is the whole story about that event, I guess one has to do more research if one really want to understand it.

People of the OT times have different standards and felt differently about things than us. When Noah got drunk and his son saw him asleep naked, Noah later cursed him when he found out. If it were me, i would have just laughed it off. Under the new covenant, the law of god is writen in our hearts. We also receive his holy spirit. That makes all the difference in the world. It makes our hearts not as hard as those people of old.

God does not change his mind. He wants us to treat each other as brethren. But OT times and OT people being what they are, necessitates such measures.

why would the word of god bow down to mans culture?

imo, in regards to the west, the god of the OT and the NT are not the same god people worship today because society has changed...
our society has evolved and became more humanistic and less barbaric...
we now acknowledge human rights, a non starter for biblical times.

i find it interesting how in time the whole idea of man being closer to god in the OT coincides with a barbaric society and the further away we are in time from the OT we acknowledge human rights

almost an instinct, wouldn't you say? That's because god put that in mankind. Its called humanity.

exactly, we really don't need a book to show us what morality is then...

 

[logician]

"Can You Be Good Without God? "

If a supposed god exists, there is not a necessity it be good.

 

[Faithfreedom]

How can you change the word of god? Basically it comes down to being wrong and not wanting to admit it or apologize for the herendous things they have committed in the name of god...

Ahh...first, you have to see, in the name of which god.
Then you would have to look into the holy scriptures of that god.
If those terrible things were done in the name of the chirstian god, then those who done it have not followed Jesus Christ because horrendous things are what he preached against.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

This topic kind of reminds of saying as we are coming closer to Christmas, "can a child be good without Santa Claus?" Yes of course the child can be good without Santa Claus, in fact if anything from my experience the child is better behaved for the other 11 months of the year.

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[Storm]

This topic kind of reminds of saying as we are coming closer to Christmas, "can a child be good without Santa Claus?" Yes of course the child can be good without Santa Claus, in fact if anything from my experience the child is better behaved for the other 11 months of the year.

You know, normally this kind of comparison bugs the crap outta me. But you're spot on. Frubals on your head!