Can you believe in the infallabilty of the bible?

[waitasec]

Go and make laos out of the ethne speaks volumes about universality.

go and make a people, people group, tribe, nation, all those who are of the same stock and language out of the ethnic people?

that looks awfully dangerous to me....

 

[Shermana]

Go and make laos out of the ethne speaks volumes about universality.

The idea is that those who get invited to the party have to wear a specific dress code, like the parable of the wedding party, or they will be "cast into outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth". The idea is that the party is an Israelite party, and you're all invited, but like any respectable dinner party, you are to abide by the host's rules or else. The difference is whether the hosts rules are the same as the Mosaic Law or not, and this is the subject of numerous threads that eventually turn into a matter of Paul vs. Jesus or something about the Law being "fulfilled". The concept, at least as I see it, is that gentiles are permitted now to become part of the Assembly of Israel and take up the Law, not as a curse by breaking it and thus being "under the curse of the Law", but in following it to truly not sin, which is "lawlessness". 1 John 3:4.

 

[sojourner]

well that is the current understanding....
considering jesus only came for the lost sheep of israel....but now the goal posts have moved to include the entire world for some reason

Possibly. But what did he instruct his disciples to do? Read Matt. 26.

 

[sojourner]

go and make a people, people group, tribe, nation, all those who are of the same stock and language out of the ethnic people?

that looks awfully dangerous to me....

Of course it is! The gospel is dangerous! Why do you think the Sanhedrin had Jesus killed?

It's always dangerous to the status quo to open the gates and let others in.

But, unfortunately for you, that's what the Great Commission says in the Greek.

 

[sojourner]

The idea is that those who get invited to the party have to wear a specific dress code, like the parable of the wedding party, or they will be "cast into outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth". The idea is that the party is an Israelite party, and you're all invited, but like any respectable dinner party, you are to abide by the host's rules or else. The difference is whether the hosts rules are the same as the Mosaic Law or not, and this is the subject of numerous threads that eventually turn into a matter of Paul vs. Jesus or something about the Law being "fulfilled". The concept, at least as I see it, is that gentiles are permitted now to become part of the Assembly of Israel and take up the Law, not as a curse by breaking it and thus being "under the curse of the Law", but in following it to truly not sin, which is "lawlessness". 1 John 3:4.

Not according to Matthew. According to Matthew, it's a whole new party.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Of course it is! The gospel is dangerous! Why do you think the Sanhedrin had Jesus killed?

When did that happen by the way?

 

[waitasec]

Of course it is! The gospel is dangerous! Why do you think the Sanhedrin had Jesus killed?

simple, because they didn't believe him

It's always dangerous to the status quo to open the gates and let others in.

then why was the story of the good samaritan not called the good roman? (ethne) or were the romans the wrong (ethne)?
now that would be pushing it...but heck it would have made a heavier impression
a clearer impression for letting others in for sure..yet was he afraid to or did it ever occur to him...? i'm guessing not.

But, unfortunately for you, that's what the Great Commission says in the Greek.

not unfortunate at all...it supports that jesus came to separate people.
fathers from sons and daughters from mothers... all based on the premise of belief


jesus was a separatist all right...

 

[waitasec]

Possibly. But what did he instruct his disciples to do? Read Matt. 26.

you mean the great commission in 28?
if so,
to conquer the world and fill it with the right ethne...

i'm not so sure what you are referring to in 26

but in chapter 26 we have that sanhedrin dilemma to deal with, so pretty much anything goes with matthew...i suppose one would have to take the gospel of matthew with a truck load of salt... but in most cases...taking it with a grain salt would be pushing it

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

but in chapter 26 we have that sanhedrin dilemma to deal with, ...

It is, in fact, so much of a dilemma that it most closely resembles a preposterous (and anti-Judaic) fabrication.

 

[Thales of Ga.]

waitasec,yes, in the spirit of the divine protection racket!:shout That blood atonement bespeaks savagery and is as contemptible as that blood sacrifice of children to appease gods and so forth!
I prefer expiating otherwise.
That blood sacrifice alone ought to make more gnu atheists!:cover:
Christians have murdered other Christians in the name of that blood sacrifice! Blood on blood!
By the way, what is the context of the parable where the king tells his people to find his enemies and slay them before him? That bespeaks Yeshua's hatred of towns where people care less about him and his reveling in Hell!
No evidence exists for Hell and -Heaven and the future state anyway! The evidence suggests that determinism acts upon us.
We know that much of both the Tanakh and the Testament are just made up! Contradictions with reality and internally show that. That anyone would revel in Hell shows that the Gospels are not good news but instead the rantings of misanthropes!
We gnu atheists need psychology to aid us in overcoming theists' superstition!

 

[waitasec]

It is, in fact, so much of a dilemma that it most closely resembles a preposterous (and anti-Judaic) fabrication.

really...how so?

 

[1robin]

guess what? you are not the only christian who does this....

No kidding? You mean there are other Christians who are not perfect?

then you need to trust god more.

That is hardly news.

i appreciate you acknowledging that

I have never been thanked for saying something negative about someone before. You are welcome.

let me ask you this...do you believe it is impossible to have a discourse that wouldn't entail assuming the demeanor of the other person without jesus?

I do not understand the question. Do you mean it is impossible unless I am a Christian?

my motivation is to question....everything

Not exactly IMO. I will get to that.

 

[waitasec]

waitasec,yes, in the spirit of the divine protection racket!:shout That blood atonement bespeaks savagery and is as contemptible as that blood sacrifice of children to appease gods and so forth!
I prefer expiating otherwise.
That blood sacrifice alone ought to make more gnu atheists!:cover:
Christians have murdered other Christians in the name of that blood sacrifice! Blood on blood!
By the way, what is the context of the parable where the king tells his people to find his enemies and slay them before him? That bespeaks Yeshua's hatred of towns where people care less about him and his reveling in Hell!
No evidence exists for Hell and -Heaven and the future state anyway! The evidence suggests that determinism acts upon us.
We know that much of both the Tanakh and the Testament are just made up! Contradictions with reality and internally show that. That anyone would revel in Hell shows that the Gospels are not good news but instead the rantings of misanthropes!
We gnu atheists need psychology to aid us in overcoming theists' superstition!

hey welcome to the forum
what is a gnu atheist?

just so you know, i am a non theist...not an atheist...maybe more of a agnostic because i can't answer that question and i also think it's not a very important one to answer, for me that is.

i can see why people hold on to this tradition...it makes perfect sense in a way...
in the advent of the internet i believe skepticism will begin to flourish faster than ever...i was talking with my husband, who is an atheist by default as he never grew up around religion, about the time it takes for people to process new ideas...the internet seems to be a vehicle that would speed that up...but as a generation who's position is on the lip of change we as a whole are experiencing a level of tension that is extraordinary...don't get me wrong...tension is good for society...it's about progress but i also think that we (people like you and me) must challenge the idea of the infallibility of the bible and not the people who support this idea. perhaps that is what you meant to say and i didn't get it ... (i am known to be slow sometimes )

)( :rainbow1:

 

[waitasec]

No kidding? You mean there are other Christians who are not perfect?

be perfect...remember?

That is hardly news.

i wonder why that is?

I have never been thanked for saying something negative about someone before. You are welcome.

well you did point out i wasn't vindictive..

perhaps i am non theists christian

I do not understand the question. Do you mean it is impossible unless I am a Christian?

yes.

Not exactly IMO. I will get to that.

ok....

 

[1robin]

be perfect...remember?

My shortfalls are never forgotten.

i wonder why that is?

No you don't

well you did point out i wasn't vindictive..

Yes that is true. I will expand on this in my much anticipated view on your view soon.

perhaps i am non theists christian

Exactly how does that work.

yes.

I don't think it is impossible. I have had many repectful and meaningful debates with non Christians. I would say unlikely. Sometimes I have resisted or backed of the urge to be as offensive as my opponent. Is this what you were asking?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

really...how so?

For example.

 

[waitasec]

My shortfalls are never forgotten.

what do you mean by that?

No you don't

you are right...
but do you wonder why that is? if so, why do you think that is?

Yes that is true. I will expand on this in my much anticipated view on your view soon.

can't wait...

Exactly how does that work.

are you serious?
ok...christian means christlike, yes?
it means taking on characteristics that are attributed to christ...
you haven't heard of atheist for christ?
Atheists for Jesus

I don't think it is impossible. I have had many repectful and meaningful debates with non Christians. I would say unlikely.

it goes both ways.
it's just as unlikely for me to have a discussion about religion with a religious person (yes even christians )who doesn't get upset with my POV...

Sometimes I have resisted or backed of the urge to be as offensive as my opponent. Is this what you were asking?

i never go there but sometimes when one shoots a low blow...like telling me what i think, or telling me they know me, when they don't going there is just self defeating...because i know what i think...then i just give them the old cheese they deserve for going there in the first place...although i too have resisted many a times...and guess what i'm not a believer in jesus...how can that ever be possible :sarcastic

 

[waitasec]

For example.

ok i see what you mean...

matthew 23:15 and other passages like that one support this...
but it wasn't what i meant

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...2-i-think-discrepancy-rather-interesting.html

 

[1robin]

what do you mean by that?

I am constantly aware of my screw ups and faults.

you are right...
but do you wonder why that is? if so, why do you think that is?

Trusting God has no upper boundry but it should still be sought.

can't wait...

I have built it up so much that it is bound to dissapoint.

are you serious?
ok...christian means christlike, yes?
it means taking on characteristics that are attributed to christ...
you haven't heard of atheist for christ?
Atheists for Jesus

No. That's like vegatarians for steak or liberals for common sence. No one can follow what they deny exists.

it goes both ways.
it's just as unlikely for me to have a discussion about religion with a religious person (yes even christians )who doesn't get upset with my POV...

I will explain why when I evaluate your motivation.

i never go there but sometimes when one shoots a low blow...like telling me what i think, or telling me they know me, when they don't going there is just self defeating...because i know what i think...then i just give them the old cheese they deserve for going there in the first place...although i too have resisted many a times...and guess what i'm not a believer in jesus...how can that ever be possible :sarcastic

We are all (Mostly) just humans afterall.

 

[waitasec]

I am constantly aware of my screw ups and faults.

ok, so who isn't?

Trusting God has no upper boundry but it should still be sought.

how am i supposed to interpret that?
the possibilities are endless for everyone.

I have built it up so much that it is bound to dissapoint.

:sad:

No. That's like vegatarians for steak or liberals for common sence. No one can follow what they deny exists.

why limit your understanding?
characteristics are how we relate to one another...
even though this person called jesus wasn't god...the ethics he stood for represent humanity as a whole...or at least where we want humanity to be.
him claiming to be god is another issue all together

I will explain why when I evaluate your motivation.

in all seriousness,
that is an impossible task for you to commit to.
and to actually think you are in the position to evaluate "motivation" without knowing one iota about me is ridiculous...
and speaks volumes as to the hubris that is required for one to be committed to such a task in the first place

We are all (Mostly) just humans afterall.

oh so non christians aren't human?