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Can you give me a solid proof

Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Can you give me a solid proof that God does not exist?
Your proof must be possible to repeat multiple times, and evidence for God non existence must be so solid that it cant be disproven by believers in God.

I do not ask for woowoo answer, only serious evidence of non existence will be accepted as proof.

And you must be able to show your proof in more than one way.
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

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Seeker of White Light said:
Can you give me a solid proof that God does not exist?
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No. Proof is for math and logic. I just can't give evidence that a deity does exist, hence my lack of belief in one.

Also, I feel no need to give evidence or proof that a god doesn't exist: I find it much more useful and practical to focus on people's values and treatment of others rather than whether or not they believe in a god or gods.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
John53 said:
I believe you are correct, it's probably impossible to prove something doesn't exist. Evidence could be shown but not 100% proof.
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You are correct. In the real world when someone demands that someone "prove" something they have already admitted that their beliefs are irrational. He is also dodging the burden of proof. Which is even worse. One does not get to assume that one's own beliefs are rational. If that was the case I could claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the real "God". Or should i say Quob?
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Subduction Zone said:
You cannot prove that Quob is not the real God so you are also rendered moot.
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I have a belief in existens of God, i do only need personal faith in God, and have no need to prove to others my belief is right for them. It is you that ask for evidence in something you do not believe in.

I REPEAT this thread is to disprove existence of God, not prove Gods existence.

If you cant disprove God your attemt here is invalid ;)
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Seeker of White Light said:
I have a belief in existens of God, i do only need personal faith in God, and have no need to prove to others my belief is right for them. It is you that ask for evidence in something you do not believe in.

I REPEAT this thread is to disprove existence of God, not prove Gods existence.

If you cant disprove God your attemt here is invalid ;)
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It doesn't matter what you believe. Your thread is based upon a false premise. Just because others won't play your rather silly game does not support you. In fact if you cannot support your belief then it appears to be no more correct than a belief in the Invisible Pink Unicorn. How do you plan to differentiate your God from that being?

Let's make a deal. We both accept the existence of the Invisible Pink Unicorn as the maker of the universe.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Subduction Zone said:
It doesn't matter what you believe. Your thread is based upon a false premise. Just because others won't play your rather silly game does not support you. In fact if you cannot support your belief then it appears to be no more correct than a belief in the Invisible Pink Unicorn. How do you plan to differentiate your God from that being?

Let's make a deal. We both accept the existence of the Invisible Pink Unicorn as the maker of the universe.
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You know i play dumb in this thread because you can not prove the non existence of God, just as I can not prove scientific that God exist.

To believe and have faith in God is not about proving to others that God exists or not. It is about a personal development spiritually as a person.
Then one have no need to prove anything to others.

So yes a debate about proving or disprove of God will never lead anywhere.
 
Heyo

Heyo

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Seeker of White Light said:
Can you give me a solid proof that God does not exist?
Your proof must be possible to repeat multiple times, and evidence for God non existence must be so solid that it cant be disproven by believers in God.

I do not ask for woowoo answer, only serious evidence of non existence will be accepted as proof.

And you must be able to show your proof in more than one way.
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Assuming by your use of the word "proof" that you accept logic as a valid tool to disprove god and your later clarification that god can be any entity that is named such and can offer the following:
Given a set of characteristics or description of the god entity, I can disprove the existence of said entity by showing that its existence would lead to a contradiction.
For example: this kind of proof by contradiction is used to show that there is no rational number that equals square-root of 2.

Many gods have been disproven by this method. Epicurus' proof of the non-existence of an omnipotent, omni-benevolent god, the argument of the stone, etc. All theistic gods I encountered are contradictory and thus impossible to exist. Only some deistic gods avoid that fate.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Heyo said:
Assuming by your use of the word "proof" that you accept logic as a valid tool to disprove god and your later clarification that god can be any entity that is named such and can offer the following:
Given a set of characteristics or description of the god entity, I can disprove the existence of said entity by showing that its existence would lead to a contradiction.
For example: this kind of proof by contradiction is used to show that there is no rational number that equals square-root of 2.

Many gods have been disproven by this method. Epicurus' proof of the non-existence of an omnipotent, omni-benevolent god, the argument of the stone, etc. All theistic gods I encountered are contradictory and thus impossible to exist. Only some deistic gods avoid that fate.
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How can contradictory disprove that different Gods give different teaching? Maybe the different Gods are at different level of wisdom, and dont see truth exactly the same. So their teaching is different.

Not a proof
 
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JIMMY12345

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Debater Slayer said:
No. Proof is for math and logic. I just can't give evidence that a deity does exist, hence my lack of belief in one.

Also, I feel no need to give evidence or proof that a god doesn't exist: I find it much more useful and practical to focus on people's values and treatment of others rather than whether or not they believe in a god or gods.
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Science would say first define. Would you define God as the world creator. I only ask as some religions would see the divine spark in all humans. We all have capacity for good and evil .This has been our challenge from the dawn of time.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Seeker of White Light said:
Can you give me a solid proof that God does not exist?
Your proof must be possible to repeat multiple times, and evidence for God non existence must be so solid that it cant be disproven by believers in God.

I do not ask for woowoo answer, only serious evidence of non existence will be accepted as proof.

And you must be able to show your proof in more than one way.
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Yes. The solid proof is the well demonstrated inability for people to produce the object of their beliefs.

It's 100% solid proof, completely accurate, and is always repeatable .
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Twilight Hue said:
Yes. The solid proof is the well demonstrated inability for people to produce the object of their beliefs.

It's 100% solid proof and is always repeatable .
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But is faith in God objectiv?

Isn't faith in God a way of life to become a better human being on a personal level? The proof is in how people change to the better through their practice
 
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