psychoslice
Veteran Member
Evolution may not be totally true, but it makes a hell lot of more sense than the creationist theory, which really is for the simple minded.
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Can you give me an observable evidence that Evolution is true?
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Skwim
Veteran Member
You make some interesting and challenging posts, but I'm curious as to your native language, and perhaps your country of origin. Care to fill us in?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Buddy, you can not be a biological researcher - it is not possible to be involved in biological research and at the same time not understand the basics of evolution.
As to a change in 'kinds', that is easy to provide - recently a species of yeast was observed to undergo a change in phyla as it transitioned from a single celled to a multi-celled organism.
Heim
Active Member
Only recently Pope Francis backed the idea of 'theistic evolution'.
Observed Instances of Speciationpro4life said:
Nylon-eating bacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ring species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Browse the Talk.Origins Archive
Atheism is simply a lack of belief in God(s). There were atheists long before Darwin.
What conceivable relationship could an abstract philosophical position have with organisms changing over time?
"Athiesm uses Evolution as an ardent sword to defend their faith." What faith? Atheism is not a belief, much less a faith -- and how would the fact of evolution defend anything but itself.
Are you seeing something political in evolution or the theory of same? Are you thinking that because some atheists believe in evolution that the two are somehow connected?
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Small life-forms seem to evolve more speedily than large.
Don't hold your breath....... many bacteria are evolving to make our anti-biotics useless. How long did that take?
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Why do they? Where do they come from, and then does that come from etc etc
Why do they? Why should they?
Why? Who is making the rules here that you accept so readily?
Why?
Why? Introduced?
Why?
Why would it evolve? Why would it do anything seeing it comes from chaos? Why would not chaos still be chaos? Is that not what chaos is?
Can you explain why it is that all these things do what they do. If you are going to explain physcial processes, then don't... instead, tell me where those physical processes come from. If you are going to say they are natural, then tell me what natural is
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
That is its primary root meaning yes, but it it not that simple. Agnostic means a lack of believe as does ignostic. There is no reason why we need three groups saying that they have a lack of believe. So atheism is more han that.... atheists are someone who think they know something... that is why they write books like the The G-- Delusion
But it is that simple. Sure there are a few militant, strong atheists, but that doesn't change what atheism is.
Where are you seeing three separate groups? Multiple descriptors can apply to the same thing.
Atheists are someone [sic] who don't think they know something.
You're seeing atheism as some sort of ideology, as some sort of movement promoting an agenda. It's none of that.
Is your lack of belief in Poseidon, the God of the sea or of cheese factories on the Moon a political position? Does it affect your belief in evolution or of germs causing disease? Are you actively promoting these non beliefs or allowing them to impact anything in your life? Of course not -- and this is just how atheism is, a lack of belief with no agenda or impact on daily life.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Atheist generally are the one that argue. So you end point is mute.
There is no reason to have three positions saying that they don't believe.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
Yes but you're not playing Guess The Agenda.
Was this supposed to have a discernible meaning, or to connect into evolution in any way?
"True" is a word loaded with baggage. It suggests inerrancy & a singular possible explanation. I much prefer "useful", which means that it comports with, & makes testable predictions in the material world. Evolution is useful, which might (in the spirit of the OP) be "true".
The proof? Biologists would point to examples from their area of expertise, but since I'm an engineer, I'll use evolutionary algorithms.
Evolutionary algorithm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All the traits of biological evolution are there....an initial population, a large number of iterations over time, random changes, a fitness function.
Engineers find evolutionary algorithms useful in design. And on our good days, we use intelligent design. But how does this differ from "intelligent design"? You can't see or touch the supernatural creator/designer, but you can even meet & take an engineer to lunch, thereby verifying his/her existence.
The proof? Biologists would point to examples from their area of expertise, but since I'm an engineer, I'll use evolutionary algorithms.
Evolutionary algorithm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All the traits of biological evolution are there....an initial population, a large number of iterations over time, random changes, a fitness function.
Engineers find evolutionary algorithms useful in design. And on our good days, we use intelligent design. But how does this differ from "intelligent design"? You can't see or touch the supernatural creator/designer, but you can even meet & take an engineer to lunch, thereby verifying his/her existence.
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Thana
Lady
No, They most certainly are not. Many Theists accept Evolution, And I'm sure there are quite a few Atheists that don't. Though, I won't argue that Atheists do generally use Evolution fiercely against Creationists but that doesn't mean anything really. Evolutionist doesn't equal Atheist or vice versa.
Draka
Wonder Woman
I've always argued that there really is no such thing as an "Evolutionist". Never has been and never will be, that is, unless of course, people want to start calling others by other ridiculous names like... Plate-tectonicist, Gravitationist and so on. These are things, Theories, facts that simply exist that either you personally accept or you don't due to your level of education or perhaps other factors. The study of which may fall under different fields of science, be they biology, geology, astronomy or so on, but not classifications wholly unto themselves really.
I fully accept evolution, and am not an atheist.
Therefore, the fact that I exist makes your statement is false.
Do you accept the existence of artificial breeding programs?
At this stage of human knowledge, those are very few indeed.
Another possibility is that your claim is false, ie, you don't exist.
That's just not true.
Most atheists are invisible. You pass them every day on the street.
Perhaps the only ones you see are the militant "evangelicals." -- a rare breed.
Not all Muslims belong to IS.
Not all Christians belong to the Westboro Baptist Church.Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not all atheists write books or carry picket signs.
There are no "three positions." You're just using different overlapping terms.
Why not add a few more? How about Freethinker, non- believer, skeptic, heathen or irreligious? Now you have eight "positions."
You might want to reconsider your definition of "agnostic," by the way.