Can you give me an observable evidence that Evolution is true?

[Shadow Wolf]

I am not my parents. The AIDs virus. Dogs. Tuberculosis. Human remains from even just 200-300 years ago. The fossil record.
Six easily observable groups that all prove that genetics change from one generation to the next, especially dogs, AIDs, and bacteria, which all tend to change rather rapidly.

 

[Sapiens]

Evolution and Athiesm are synonymous ...

That would be really nice, I wish it were true. If it were the discussion would be long over.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Evolution and Athiesm are synonymous and one and the same. Athiesm uses Evolution as an ardent sword to defend their faith.

I am not an atheist, yet I realize the case for evolution is rather staggering with its mountain of evidence.

 

[dust1n]

How is atheism and evolution synonymous?

Atheism existed for CENTURIES before Evolutionary Theory...

 

[dust1n]

Now that I think about it, atheism is older than Jesus Christ.

 

[Robert.Evans]

That's just not true.

That's why I said "generally"

Most atheists are invisible. You pass them every day on the street.
Perhaps the only ones you see are the militant "evangelicals." -- a rare breed.
Not all Muslims belong to IS.
Not all Christians belong to the Westboro Baptist Church.Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not all atheists write books or carry picket signs.

There are no "three positions." You're just using different overlapping terms.
Why not add a few more? How about Freethinker, non- believer, skeptic, heathen or irreligious? Now you have eight "positions."

You might want to reconsider your definition of "agnostic," by the way.

Four positions. It can be seen in different ways I know

 

[Parsimony]

Evolution and Athiesm are synonymous and one and the same.

Wrongity wrong wrong.

Ha ha, think about what it would mean if atheism and evolution were synonyms: one species becoming another would be an example of atheism.

 

[Valjean]

That's why I said "generally"

Four positions. It can be seen in different ways I know

I'm not following, RE. Are you saying there are four types of atheism, four epistemological positions on theology or what?

Where are we disagreeing, here?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I'm not following, RE. Are you saying there are four types of atheism, four epistemological positions on theology or what?

Where are we disagreeing, here?

Theism- know
Agnosticism- don't know
Ignosticism- Ignorant of subject
Atheism- know

I understand they can be defined differently.

 

[Valjean]

Theism: belief in God/Gods.
Agnosticism: Belief that it's not possible to know weather there is a God or not.
Ignosticism: You'll have to define this one for me, RE.
Atheism: Lack of belief in a God/Gods.

This is a strawman argument, RE.
You continue to misdefine atheism even after this has been pointed out to you. You're defining Strong Atheism, a subset or specific type of atheism. This is not how I'm using it, and it's not how atheists in general use it. Perhaps it's how creationists or fundamentalist Christians use it, to misrepresent atheism.

The sine qua non of atheism is a lack of belief. This is atheism's defining feature. Some atheists may have other beliefs in addition to this lack of belief, a few believe there is no God, for example, but this is a subset that can't be applied to atheism in general.
The one thing that applies to all atheists is lack of belief.

Atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now where were we going with all this before we were diverted by this misdefinition? I forget.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There is no doubt that when the world coalesced around this sun, it was inimical to life.
At some point in time, early forms of life did form and thrive. The have since developed and diversified into all the lifeforms that have ever existed on this planet.

What is not yet clear is why, how or where did this first life start. genetics indicate that this process had only a single starting point.
There is no longer any doubt that life did progress through many stages of evolution to reach the point we know today. However that process might be slow, but it is still in operation.
None of the lifeforms in existence, except for those in the process of becoming extinct, are in their final form.
It would seem to be, that any life form that can not evolve to suit the conditions in which it finds itself. inevitably faces extinction. This include Us.

 

[McBell]

Can you give me an observable evidence of a change of kinds. Something that I don't have to receive by faith.

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence" Richard Dawkins.

Define "kind" in a meaningful and or useful way that does not change to discard the evidence presented.

I ask simply because it has never been done before.

 

[McBell]

Evolution and Athiesm are synonymous and one and the same. Athiesm uses Evolution as an ardent sword to defend their faith.

Here you and Robert Evans show a serious lack of understanding of both Atheism and Evolution.

No surprise at all, honestly.
Though one wonders why such dishonesty is required for you to hold of your faith.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Theism: belief in God/Gods.
Agnosticism: Belief that it's not possible to know weather there is a God or not.
Ignosticism: You'll have to define this one for me, RE.
Atheism: Lack of belief in a God/Gods.

This is a strawman argument, RE.
You continue to misdefine atheism even after this has been pointed out to you. You're defining Strong Atheism, a subset or specific type of atheism. This is not how I'm using it, and it's not how atheists in general use it. Perhaps it's how creationists or fundamentalist Christians use it, to misrepresent atheism.

The sine qua non of atheism is a lack of belief. This is atheism's defining feature. Some atheists may have other beliefs in addition to this lack of belief, a few believe there is no God, for example, but this is a subset that can't be applied to atheism in general.
The one thing that applies to all atheists is lack of belief.

Atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now where were we going with all this before we were diverted by this misdefinition? I forget.

Atheist, Ignostic, and Agnostic have a lack of believe. What for? What is the point of three saying the same thing?
Atheist know, not absolute but they know... unless you are saying atheists don’t know their own mind?!?

BTW, I have already pointed out that they can be defined differently.

 

[Robert.Evans]

There is no doubt that when the world coalesced around this sun, it was inimical to life.
At some point in time, early forms of life did form and thrive. The have since developed and diversified into all the lifeforms that have ever existed on this planet.

What is not yet clear is why, how or where did this first life start. genetics indicate that this process had only a single starting point.
There is no longer any doubt that life did progress through many stages of evolution to reach the point we know today. However that process might be slow, but it is still in operation.
None of the lifeforms in existence, except for those in the process of becoming extinct, are in their final form.
It would seem to be, that any life form that can not evolve to suit the conditions in which it finds itself. inevitably faces extinction. This include Us.

Kinda lucky that they can then, eh.. but I agree

 

[Robert.Evans]

Here you and Robert Evans show a serious lack of understanding of both Atheism and Evolution.

No surprise at all, honestly.
Though one wonders why such dishonesty is required for you to hold of your faith.

I think you have to broaden your reading rather than calling people dishonest.

 

[McBell]

I think you have to broaden your reading rather than calling people dishonest.

I call it how I see it.
You have demonstrated a seriously lack of understanding of both atheism and evolution yet claim knowledge you have as yet to demonstrate of either.

The ball is in your court.
Prove you have an understanding by the contents of your posts instead of bold empty claims which your posts reveal otherwise.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Ironically, I am a a biology researcher.

In regards to the evidence, I want it based on the scientific method.

The scientific method: "based on a collection of data through observation and experimentation"

I call bull. If I had a nickle for every time a creationist claimed to be some kind of authority on biology or science I could take an early retirement in my 20's. Its not the fact that you are a creationist because there are some scientists who are (very very very very very very very few don't believe in evolution however) but it is the fact that you think that atheism and evolution are the same. Also I doubt you are a researcher unless you are a pseudo scientific researcher for a creationist based research facility. Which I wouldn't count as a scientific research facility at all. This conclusion I have drawn upon because if you were someone who was well established in biology and bio-research then you would know why evolution is a fact. You would have your research DEPEND UPON IT.

Though I really don't care. I care about your argument. But this seems like a fishing expedition so can we clarify what exactly you expect for evidence?

Atheist, Ignostic, and Agnostic have a lack of believe. What for? What is the point of three saying the same thing?
Atheist know, not absolute but they know... unless you are saying atheists don’t know their own mind?!?

BTW, I have already pointed out that they can be defined differently.

Atheists lack a belief in god. Agnostics don't claim to "know" there is not a god. Ignostics argue from a different point all together. They feel god cannot even be defined or has yet to be defined so debating about it wouldn't make sense till this issue was cleared up.

I can have a Kia. I can have a blue Kia. I can have a Red Ford. I can be an Agnostic Atheist. I can be an Agnostic theist.

 

[Robert.Evans]

. I can be an Agnostic Atheist. I can be an Agnostic theist.

No you can't. If you believe there are no gods, you can't then say you don't know

 

[Revoltingest]

No you can't. If you believe there are no gods, you can't then say you don't know

I believe that you're a man from the UK, but my confidence level is less than 100%. It's certainly possible that you could be a teenage girl from New Jersey. This is an example of something I believe but do not know.