Can you give me an observable evidence that Evolution is true?

[leibowde84]

Can you give me an observable evidence of a change of kinds. Something that I don't have to receive by faith.

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence" Richard Dawkins.

Identical genes in Crocodiles and Birds for teeth generation. In most birds, the chemical reaction to enact these genes, or start them developing actual teeth, is not there. This is the kind of observable evidence that makes evolution a scientific theory instead of just an ordinary theory.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Identical genes in Crocodiles and Birds for teeth generation. In most birds, the chemical reaction to enact these genes, or start them developing actual teeth, is not there. This is the kind of observable evidence that makes evolution a scientific theory instead of just an ordinary theory.

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

Humans are all-primate. If you are referring to Australopithecus or the like, then it's because they are extinct. The vast majority of species are.

Not humans according to who? They were closely related enough to us to produce fertile offspring. In some circles, that'd make us the same species (but different subspecies).

Who said that the Piltdown Man hoax was created by scientists? Are you implying that all of the fossils of human ancestors are a result of hoaxing by the scientific establishment? That would require quite a conspiracy in order to keep that fact hidden from the public.

What about it?

yes I know we are primates... what I was trying to say was where then are all the Minotaurs and half-ape-men walking around?

yes Piltdown was a hoax and science still can not show the world the definitive "missing link".

boy have we found a lot of stuff! it's mind boggling... but still no connection to us modern humans?

I find that a little odd and jointly suspicious... I have the answer actually and if I repeat it enough and loudly enough people will believe it?

we just kinda of "banged"on the scene... we came from nothingness. That's where everything comes from, it just does... modern human obviously just big banged into existence well after the big Bang that created the universe happened, and it is obviously the only scientifically acceptable answer because science and archaeology can not present facts which say something different.

It's very scientific... it just happened... BANG!

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

one thing's for certain... Neanderthal didn't transmutate into Cromagnon, the cromags kinda just appeared on the scene in a micro big bang (very similar to magic)

Skull of Homo erectus throws story of human evolution into disarray | Science | The Guardian

Neanderthal extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I must have missed the class where they taught that Neanderthal was modern "human"

NOVA | Are Neanderthals Human?

 

[Parsimony]

yes I know we are primates... what I was trying to say was where then are all the Minotaurs and half-ape-men walking around?

Why would there be minotaurs? Evolutionary theory predicts no such creatures. I already explained that the "half-ape men" are extinct (unless, of course Sasquatch is a real creature).

yes Piltdown was a hoax and science still can not show the world the definitive "missing link".

There isn't "a" missing link: there would have been a progression of species that lead to our development. The australopithecines and the early Homo species are good candidates.

boy have we found a lot of stuff! it's mind boggling... but still no connection to us modern humans?

What are you looking for, exactly?

I find that a little odd and jointly suspicious... I have the answer actually and if I repeat it enough and loudly enough people will believe it?

What answer is that?

we just kinda of "banged"on the scene... we came from nothingness. That's where everything comes from, it just does... modern human obviously just big banged into existence well after the big Bang that created the universe happened, and it is obviously the only scientifically acceptable answer because science and archaeology can not present facts which say something different.

It's very scientific... it just happened... BANG!

We do know that humans and chimpanzees have a common ancestor because most of our 98,000 ERVs are in the same location in our genomes (and retroviruses insert their genetic code in a mostly random fashion, so it can't be coincidence). We know from their structure (LTR-gag-pro-pol-env-LTR) that they were indeed inserted by retroviruses and therefore not designed into us, including the trademark target site duplication that is a necessary step in retroviral insertion.

 

[metis]

one thing's for certain... Neanderthal didn't transmutate into Cromagnon, the cromags kinda just appeared on the scene in a micro big bang (very similar to magic)

CM seems to have emerged out of a different form of Homo erectus. However, now we know that there was some intermarriage between the two and that a minority of genes in today's population is from Neanderthal.

 

[Sapiens]

yes I know we are primates... what I was trying to say was where then are all the Minotaurs and half-ape-men walking around?

I know of no one who ever predicted either.

yes Piltdown was a hoax and science still can not show the world the definitive "missing link".

Every single individual who is ancestral to currently living humans is a "missing link." Exactly how many do you need to see the skeletons of?

boy have we found a lot of stuff! it's mind boggling... but still no connection to us modern humans?

There are so many fields of study that connect the two I am amazed that you did not hurt yourself tripping over them all.

I find that a little odd and jointly suspicious... I have the answer actually and if I repeat it enough and loudly enough people will believe it?
[/quoe]No, you do not have the answer and yes there are any number of stupid people around who will believe anything that is repeated often enough.

we just kinda of "banged"on the scene... we came from nothingness. That's where everything comes from, it just does... modern human obviously just big banged into existence well after the big Bang that created the universe happened, and it is obviously the only scientifically acceptable answer because science and archaeology can not present facts which say something different.

No one is so blind as he who refuses to see.

It's very scientific... it just happened... BANG!

Was that sound of your open mind imploding?

one thing's for certain... Neanderthal didn't transmutate into Cromagnon, the cromags kinda just appeared on the scene in a micro big bang (very similar to magic)

No one, except you, suggested that they did. That's what's called a "strawman."

Skull of Homo erectus throws story of human evolution into disarray | Science | The Guardian

"Disarray" is hardly the correct word, it changes some aspects of the history and man and serves to demonstrate two things: first is that we change our model as the data increases, second is that you're views are further falsified.

Neanderthal extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since there are still Neanderthal genes in the Homo sapiens spp. population it is incorrect to say that Neanderthals are extinct. Wiki needs to revise the article, it is based on an erroneous notion.

I must have missed the class where they taught that Neanderthal was modern "human"

NOVA | Are Neanderthals Human?

Yup, I guess you did.

 

[shawn001]

Creation+Guided by God Evolution

Origin of Life—Different Theories and Propositions

This is extremely outdated.

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

CM seems to have emerged out of a different form of Homo erectus. However, now we know that there was some intermarriage between the two and that a minority of genes in today's population is from Neanderthal.

no intermarriage... that's reading quite ahead. They suspect there may have been one interbreeding but they can't be sure. Other scientists (who make tons of cash money via the taxpayer) estimate there could have been up to 3 instances of interbreeding as CM was early on out of Africa (in the middle east)

Honestly reading thru all the Neanderthal debate on various sites, 99.7% of all hypothesis comes from "speculation" which isn't really science... speculation is sitting around dreaming stuff up and giving neanderthal blue eyes and red or blonde hair.

[While modern humans share some nuclear DNA with the extinct Neanderthals, the two species do not share anymitochondrial DNA,[132] which in primates is always maternally transmitted.]

[This would suggest that modern humans came in and replaced Neanderthals, rather than a slow shift or integration occurring in this region.]

[Other studies carried out since the sequencing of the Neanderthal genome have cast doubt on the level of admixture between Neanderthals and modern humans, or even as to whether the species interbred at all.]

and yes... after reading thru all that and successfully appearing to get the readers to believe it, we come to my favorite part.

[it was disclosed by Svante Pääbo that in the previous work at the Max Planck Institute that "Contamination was indeed an issue," and they eventually realized that 11% of their sample was modern human DNA.]

favorite part yes because this is what scientists (specially biologists) do... they are more likely than any other to fabricate evidence which supports their speculation/theory (a pattern which can be observed in historic record)

in fact reading that whole article they give you multiple paragraphs of speculation... then maybe at the end of each paragraph a quick short sentence of why it is contested or couldn't be the case.

gotta love wiki...

Neanderthal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

another example of how researchers would get one to believe their speculation is the part about the eye sockets and all that jazz about how neanderthal brains developed much larger portions in the areas of the brain that deal with vision.

I never knew we had a neanderthal brain to examine...?

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

We do know that humans and chimpanzees have a common ancestor because most of our 98,000 ERVs are in the same location in our genomes (and retroviruses insert their genetic code in a mostly random fashion, so it can't be coincidence). We know from their structure (LTR-gag-pro-pol-env-LTR) that they were indeed inserted by retroviruses and therefore not designed into us, including the trademark target site duplication that is a necessary step in retroviral insertion.

actually all we do know is that Homo Sapiens evolved as our own species independently.

biology can not prove transmutation in our line... from one species to homo sapiens.

 

[Skwim]

actually all we do know is that Homo Sapiens evolved as our own species independently.

Independent of what? You are aware, aren't you not, that there were many species of Homo besides H, sapiens? Among others there was

H. erectus
H. ergaster
H. habalis
H. neanderthalensis
H. rudolfensis​

biology can not prove transmutation in our line... from one species to homo sapiens.

What is this "transmutation" you're talking about?

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

if transmutation was fact... it would be before our eyes and crocodiles would be developing wings turning into birds.

Evolution doesn't stop and pause therefore remaining invisible to us. If transmutation was fact it could be observed in nature.

The Darwinian Theory of the Transmutation of Species : Robert Mackenzie Beverley : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

Independent of what? You are aware, aren't you not, that there were many species of Homo besides H, sapiens? Among others there was

H. erectus
H. ergaster
H. habalis
H. neanderthalensis
H. rudolfensis​

What is this "transmutation" you're talking about?

yes the chimp may be a relative... but if we came from the chimp why can't they prove it?

Convergent evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[metis]

no intermarriage... that's reading quite ahead. They suspect there may have been one interbreeding but they can't be sure. Other scientists (who make tons of cash money via the taxpayer) estimate there could have been up to 3 instances of interbreeding as CM was early on out of Africa (in the middle east)

Honestly reading thru all the Neanderthal debate on various sites, 99.7% of all hypothesis comes from "speculation" which isn't really science... speculation is sitting around dreaming stuff up and giving neanderthal blue eyes and red or blonde hair. ..

You might want to check this out:
When modern humans migrated out of Africa some 60,000 years ago, they found the Eurasian continent already inhabited by brawny, big-browedNeanderthals. We know that at least some encounters between the two kinds of human produced offspring, because the genomes of people living outside Africa today are composed of some 1 to 4 percent Neanderthal DNA.

Two studies published concurrently in Nature andScience on Wednesday suggest that while the Neanderthal contribution to our genomes was modest, it may have proved vitally important... -- Neanderthal Genes Hold Surprises for Modern Humans




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Two studies published concurrently in Nature andScience on Wednesday suggest that while the Neanderthal contribution to our genomes was modest, it may have proved vitally important.

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

200 million years without change...

NOVA | The Extraordinary Lives of Crocs

450 million years...

Shark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

by comparison Apes go back 25 million years... so it's safe to surmise that we have more evidence of species which have not changed for much longer periods of time.

[biological transmutation is defined as a nuclear transmutation occurring in a living organism. Such transmutations are strongly believed not to occur according to mainstream physics, chemistry and biology, however proponents of the hypothesis claim to have empirical evidence that they do.]

Biological transmutation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Empirical

[sense experience -- information that justifies a belief]

sounds very similar to religion... you know belief in the unseen

Empirical evidence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[metis]

yes the chimp may be a relative... but if we came from the chimp why can't they prove it?

Convergent evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We do not come from chimps, so you're barking up the wrong tree. What we hope to find someday is the common ancestors to both them and us, and we may not be that far away from doing just that as we see with the more recent Chad fossil.

 

[metis]

if transmutation was fact... it would be before our eyes and crocodiles would be developing wings turning into birds.

Evolution doesn't stop and pause therefore remaining invisible to us. If transmutation was fact it could be observed in nature.

The Darwinian Theory of the Transmutation of Species : Robert Mackenzie Beverley : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

It is observable in nature. Google "speciation" for examples.

 

[LuisDantas]

Warp, is there a point to your insistence on relying on very outdated, innacurate and biased information?

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

You might want to check this out:
When modern humans migrated out of Africa some 60,000 years ago, they found the Eurasian continent already inhabited by brawny, big-browedNeanderthals. We know that at least some encounters between the two kinds of human produced offspring, because the genomes of people living outside Africa today are composed of some 1 to 4 percent Neanderthal DNA.

Two studies published concurrently in Nature andScience on Wednesday suggest that while the Neanderthal contribution to our genomes was modest, it may have proved vitally important... -- Neanderthal Genes Hold Surprises for Modern Humans




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Two studies published concurrently in Nature andScience on Wednesday suggest that while the Neanderthal contribution to our genomes was modest, it may have proved vitally important.

I've read into all of that and simply do not believe because I can not see it... I stand with the pre-2014 data and will not succumb to biologists who are more like fan fiction writers than scientist. It is the most rapidly changing field with delusions of grandeur unseen in real science such as physics.

it's likely you have more dolphin dna in you than you do neanderthal... they provide nothing for comparison.

Gap Between Neanderthals and Us Narrows, But Does Not Close

The case isn't closed... we didn't come from neanderthal, they are a sub-species. And take note of that when reading, terms like "our species" that doesn't mean "their species" (neanderthal)

 

[WarpCapableVessel]

"contaminated samples"

An improved PCR method for endogenous DNA retrieval in contaminated Neandertal samples based on the use of blocking primers

11% of it as a matter of fact was "current man" not modern man... you have to read thru all that in various articles to finally get to the part where they promise to improve lab conditions and sample retrieval.