Bunyip
pro scapegoat
As you said - insults are the most graceless form of conceding defeat. I rest my case.
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Can you give me an observable evidence that Evolution is true?
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Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
No need to take that personally Bunny, I just don't approve of your country's intolerance of free thought.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
I don't approve of your apparent delight in hypocrisy.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I welcome evolution as a belief, you may even be right, we all believe in something, as long as we recognize our personal beliefs as such and do not oppress others', I think we can all get along?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
I'll remember not to expect any kind of intellectual honesty from you Guy. Evolution is a fact, proven by direct observation more than a century ago - the rest is propoganda.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
just like steady state, classical physics and the Big Crunch? I'm with the majority that was skeptical of those too, 'fact' is always a red flag
Sapiens
Polymathematician
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Sorry, evolution is a fact, whether you chose to agree or not, your insertion of irrelevant cosmological questions notwithstanding.
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Why is a dolphin not a cat? Repurposing non-coding elements in genome gave rise to great 'mammalian radiation'
Why is a dolphin not a cat? Repurposing non-coding elements in genome gave rise to great 'mammalian radiation' -- ScienceDaily
Why is a dolphin not a cat? Repurposing non-coding elements in genome gave rise to great 'mammalian radiation' -- ScienceDaily
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Okay lets start with solar system forming.
What was the early Earth like 4 billion years ago?
McBell
Unbound
Interesting how you would try to divert from addressing his point with a bogus implication of insult.
Is your skin really so thin that you cannot handle the truth?
If not, then stop with the sad attempts at diversion and address the points.
Can you do that?
Or are you going to continue to hide behind your skirt?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Hot, which I why I brought the marshmallows.
Monk Of Reason
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When a belief is supported by mountains of evidence to the point that there is no logical reason to deny it and therefore we have based the majority of biological science on the theory and thus is the root of many of the recent medical and other biological advancements, I think it becomes a point of integrity to make sure that we let people know this isn't some half cocked belief without any real basis.
Now if you want to say that you don't believe evolution because of a belief that you hold that is starkly contradictory to all of the observable evidence then by all means. But just recognize that your personal beliefs do not change the evidence or the facts involved and I think we can all get along.
gnostic
The Lost One
I know that I am repeating myself, but let me colored it a bit, no one get bored with what about to say:
What in the god-flaming-hell do evolution have to with steady state model or the Big Crunch????!!!!!
Evolution is not about physical cosmology.
AND neither the Steady State, nor the Big Crunch has anything to do with biology.
Must you repeat your ignorant drivel on subjects (cosmology) that have no bearing on this topic.
There are boatload of evidences to support biological changes affecting life, through either Natural Selection or Gene Flow, that evolution is a verifiable scientific theory.
And because of these evidences, the knowledge we have are not based on belief alone.
The only thing human endeavour that relies solely on belief is religion.
Another name for "religion" is "faith". Faith don't require evidences to believe in what they believe, such as belief in god(s), spirits, angels, demons, jinns, heaven, hell, purgatory, miracles, resurrection, etc, are all based on blind faith.
Genesis' creation, Eden, flood and the whole Tower of Babel, are nothing more than fable and myth, with no bearing in reality, because everything in it (Genesis), indicate supernatural and ignorant superstitious belief.
The only worth in Genesis is to teach morals, just like Jesus' parables. They have no values whatsoever otherwise, because Genesis is neither science book, nor a history book.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
like classical physics, global cooling, warming, and static universes?
Again, nothing is less scientific than using the word as a label to mean 'unquestionable'
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I know that I am repeating myself, but let me colored it a bit, no one get bored with what about to say:
What in the god-flaming-hell do evolution have to with steady state model or the Big Crunch????!!!!!
Evolution is not about physical cosmology.
AND neither the Steady State, nor the Big Crunch has anything to do with biology.
Must you repeat your ignorant drivel on subjects (cosmology) that have no bearing on this topic.
There are boatload of evidences to support biological changes affecting life, through either Natural Selection or Gene Flow, that evolution is a verifiable scientific theory.
And because of these evidences, the knowledge we have are not based on belief alone.
The only thing human endeavour that relies solely on belief is religion.
Another name for "religion" is "faith". Faith don't require evidences to believe in what they believe, such as belief in god(s), spirits, angels, demons, jinns, heaven, hell, purgatory, miracles, resurrection, etc, are all based on blind faith.
Genesis' creation, Eden, flood and the whole Tower of Babel, are nothing more than fable and myth, with no bearing in reality, because everything in it (Genesis), indicate supernatural and ignorant superstitious belief.
The only worth in Genesis is to teach morals, just like Jesus' parables. They have no values whatsoever otherwise, because Genesis is neither science book, nor a history book.
blind faith is faith which does not recognize itself,
this often manifests itself in overt anger, intolerance towards others' beliefs
I acknowledge my faith, my beliefs, do you?
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
so was classical physics
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
It's been difficult to progress scientific understanding, substantively debate the flaws in anything- geocentric solar systems, classical physics, static universes, where their believers declared them unquestionable and took their beliefs to the grave without ever accepting contrary evidence.
My aim is that you at least realize that no theory is unquestionable in science, even the most widely accepted and intuitive direct observations of classical physics, let alone controversial and indirectly deduced theories like evolution,
declaring theories 'unquestionable' has a terrible track record of inhibiting scientific progress.
My aim is that you at least realize that no theory is unquestionable in science, even the most widely accepted and intuitive direct observations of classical physics, let alone controversial and indirectly deduced theories like evolution,
declaring theories 'unquestionable' has a terrible track record of inhibiting scientific progress.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The word "theory" is often used in different context, and something like the Theory of Evolution is not speculative in the main part. We know it happens. We've seen it happen. We know how and why it takes place in general.
It's plain old common sense, namely all things appear to change over time, and genes are "things".
gnostic
The Lost One
I don't have any faith.
I do enjoy reading myths, legends, folklore, fables, fairy tales, allegory, and modern fantasy, but that enjoyment don't come from believing in these stories to be real, historical or scientific.
My belief is fine, but with reality, particularly with nature, I preferred my knowledge in that area, to be supported by verifiable evidences or through rigorous testing, not in superstitious pseudoscience, like that of creationism and intelligent design.
None of my "belief" have anything to do with god or spirit, if that's what you mean.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
It's been difficult to progress scientific understanding, substantively debate the flaws in anything- geocentric solar systems, classical physics, static universes, where their believers declared them unquestionable and took their beliefs to the grave without ever accepting contrary evidence.
My aim is that you at least realize that no theory is unquestionable in science, even the most widely accepted and intuitive direct observations of classical physics, let alone controversial and indirectly deduced theories like evolution,
declaring theories 'unquestionable' has a terrible track record of inhibiting scientific progress.
classical physics was plain old common sense also yes?, yet it utterly & fundamentally failed to account for the physical world. It's intuitive simplicity was both the reason for it's popularity and it's downfall
My aim is that you at least realize that no theory is unquestionable in science, even the most widely accepted and intuitive direct observations of classical physics, let alone controversial and indirectly deduced theories like evolution,
declaring theories 'unquestionable' has a terrible track record of inhibiting scientific progress.
classical physics was plain old common sense also yes?, yet it utterly & fundamentally failed to account for the physical world. It's intuitive simplicity was both the reason for it's popularity and it's downfall