can you proove there isn't a deity?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Understanding basic logical distinctions goes a long way in formulating meaningful questions and arguments.

You may well be onto something ... :yes:

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Invisible puce dragons are a contradiction in terms since mauve is clearly part of the visible spectrum.

These complex and highly technical theological discussions make my head hurt.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Let's drink!

 

[Magic Man]

well as far as these two replies go, what can i say? if you have never heard or seen anyone in your entire life ever say they don't believe there is such thing as a deity of any kind, then what can i tell you?

Wait, now you're changing it up. I've heard people say they don't believe there is such a thing as a deity of any kind. I know this because I'm one of them. But I'm never heard anyone say they are 100% certain that no deity of any kind exists.

And even if someone somewhere has said that, why are you starting a thread about it? Wouldn't it be more useful to address a point made by a significant number of people?

 

[Jainarayan]

Invisible puce dragons are a contradiction in terms since mauve is clearly part of the visible spectrum.

These complex and highly technical theological discussions make my head hurt.

Any gay ghetto has these color issues sorted out, with ready answers.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

well as far as these two replies go, what can i say? if you have never heard or seen anyone in your entire life ever say they don't believe there is such thing as a deity of any kind, then what can i tell you?
for example: some people can say they have never seen a jet airliner in flight ever, and that may be seriously true for some. but i think most know better, whether they just haven't experienced it or are in denial.

I don't BELIEVE there is any deity, i won't deny the possiblity.

I assume that is what you have experienced but not gotten the difference between stating that zero deities exist and not believing in any deity.

As far as i'm concerned, no deities exist, i am not absolutely certain of this but i cannot believe in anything so extraordinary without even so much as a shred of evidence, especially when there are 15 000 of those gods stemming from 100k+ original religions and none of them have any evidence what so ever.

So while i may say "there is no god" what i mean is "i do not believe there is a god".

 

[ImprobableBeing]

Let's drink!

Tequila?

 

[Magic Man]

These complex and highly technical theological discussions make my head hurt.

I didn't think it was that complex. I thought it was common knowledge that dragons only turn invisible when chairs are turned upside down.

 

[kloth]

And just because you can't parse the meaning or point of my argument, doesn't make it cute or sarcastic, or any less apt.

actually, that dragon has some purple tint to him/her in the right part of sun light. although it's not invisible, as to where it wouldn't have a color or be seen.

When I say "something we know is made up", I'm talking about actually making it up ourselves, and we'd know it's made up by the fact it's made up. For example, take a space koala.

A space koala is a creature the size of a planet that's cute, furry, and spends most of its time asleep. By mysterious means, it can survive in the vacuum of space. It likes to eat eucalyptus but doesn't die if it doesn't get it (which is a good thing, since there isn't much eucalyptus in space). We know that the space koala is made up because I just made it up.

We can't say with perfect certainty that space koalas don't exist. The odds may be very, very low, but we can't completely exclude the possibility that there's a space koala in some unexplored corner of the universe.

Now... is there more support for the existence of God than the existence of space koalas? If there isn't, then consistency suggests we don't have to give any more credence to God than we do to space koalas.

And I don't know about you, but I consider "no more likely than a space koala" to be effectively equal to "impossible" for most purposes... even though I recognize that can't be perfectly certain that space koalas don't exist.

well if people admit something is made up for fantasy or whatever, then it is. but if they claim it's not made up and really does exist, like deity. i would think more proof is needed that it's made up, other than simply saying it's made up because i believe it's made up.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

These complex and highly technical theological discussions make my head hurt.

The colour is percieved, not known.

That is all you need to know about any metaphysical claim... EVER.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

actually, that dragon has some purple tint to him/her in the right part of sun light. although it's not invisible, as to where it wouldn't have a color or be seen.

I'm curious as to whether you even know what your point is or not, and how on Earth it is at all relevant to my comments.

Meh, actually not that curious. I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

I didn't think it was that complex. I thought it was common knowledge that dragons only turn invisible when chairs are turned upside down.

It's like Jesus, he's right there but only when you can't see him.

Should be clear as mud to anyone high on PCP and if you're not you're clearly not a man of god.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

I'm curious as to whether you even know what your point is or not, and how on Earth it is at all relevant to my comments.

Meh, actually not that curious. I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

Sexually speaking, it doesn't matter.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Sexually speaking, it doesn't matter.

Comedy gold.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

well if people admit something is made up for fantasy or whatever, then it is.

But does that necessarily mean that it doesn't exist? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Maybe I stumbled on the truth by accident.

but if they claim it's not made up and really does exist, like deity. i would think more proof is needed that it's made up, other than simply saying it's made up because i believe it's made up.

I think you're misunderstanding my argument. I'm not saying that god-claims are made up; I'm saying that if they don't have any more support than something that's clearly made up, then it's reasonable to treat them as if they don't exist.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

Comedy gold.

What can i say, i'm an evolutionary biologist, from my perspective it's even funnier.

You know, it's funny because it's true... i have a habit of doing this, overstate things until they are funny no more.

I blame America and the internet for it.

 

[kloth]

Not believing that something exists and believing that something doesn't exist are far from the same thing. Understanding basic logical distinctions goes a long way in formulating meaningful questions and arguments.

i don't see how. they are both beliefs, and all beliefs should have evidence of being true.

Wait, now you're changing it up. I've heard people say they don't believe there is such a thing as a deity of any kind. I know this because I'm one of them. But I'm never heard anyone say they are 100% certain that no deity of any kind exists.

And even if someone somewhere has said that, why are you starting a thread about it? Wouldn't it be more useful to address a point made by a significant number of people?

actually i am not changing it up, you clearly are though. this reply you made here should have been your first.
the question in the op is clearly can you prove a deity doesn't exist, not do you follow the belief in a deity. clearly.
i am starting a thread like this because i want proof that there is no deity for those who have it, i was clear on that as well. i don't get the last question really. if you are asking why i don't follow a majority, well i am not a follower. if that's what you meant.

I don't BELIEVE there is any deity, i won't deny the possiblity.

I assume that is what you have experienced but not gotten the difference between stating that zero deities exist and not believing in any deity.

As far as i'm concerned, no deities exist, i am not absolutely certain of this but i cannot believe in anything so extraordinary without even so much as a shred of evidence, especially when there are 15 000 of those gods stemming from 100k+ original religions and none of them have any evidence what so ever.

So while i may say "there is no god" what i mean is "i do not believe there is a god".

no offense, but that makes no sense. why decide you don't believe in something if you are not certain? not that i am saying you should believe either. to me it should be i don't believe or disbelieve.
i mainly want to know though, what's proof do you have there is no evidence? i'm not saying i know, but what do you think created life on earth? earth? endless time and space that has no beginning or end?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

i don't see how. they are both beliefs, and all beliefs should have evidence of being true.

That's right, you don't see how. That's why a review of basic logical distinctions would probably be in your best interest if you want to engage people in meaningful discussion of ideas.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

no offense, but that makes no sense.

None taken, let me say here, the same to you and i do that knowing you will take offense.

why decide you don't believe in something if you are not certain? not that i am saying you should believe either. to me it should be i don't believe or disbelieve.
i mainly want to know though, what's proof do you have there is no evidence? i'm not saying i know, but what do you think created life on earth? earth? endless time and space that has no beginning or end?

Ok, well i'm going to make this a two pronged reply, one from my personal view and owe that isn't personal.

Personal: I didn't decide anything what so ever, i just cannot believe in something that is so astounding and for which there exists absolutely no evidence, believe you me i tried but i cannot. For me it's impossible to believe in incredible things entirely without evidence. Like saying that i'm god, why not just believe in that, eh?

General: Why not believe in everything you hear until you have evidence it's false?

Yeah, it doesn't work that way in any other part of your life, does it?

 

[McBell]

no offense, but that makes no sense. why decide you don't believe in something if you are not certain? not that i am saying you should believe either. to me it should be i don't believe or disbelieve.
i mainly want to know though, what's proof do you have there is no evidence? i'm not saying i know, but what do you think created life on earth? earth? endless time and space that has no beginning or end?

As far as I can remember every single time I have been asked "do you believe god exists?" when I answer no, the asker automatically assumes I believe god does not exist.

Not once has there been the follow up question "Do you believe god does not exist?" for me to also answer no.

I blame it on the black or white false dichotomy that most if not all religious people cling to.