oh no! the grammar police are here, i better split for now. :run:
no. but nice try. :clap
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can you proove there isn't a deity?
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McBell
Unbound
We are back to your limited understanding.
Until you can come to understand that it is not a black or white false dichotomy, we are merely going to continue in this same pointless circle.
ImprobableBeing
Active Member
So, if you deny it you now have to prove that i'm not god?
That is how YOU said it works.
Go ahead, prove me wrong.
How do you know that the reason you can't see any space koalas is that you're not wearing the right type of hat? What if your house is on fire RIGHT NOW? If it is, then you will have wanted to rush home with a fire extingusher. We can make up all sorts of hypotheticals; we put weight on them based on how likely they seem.
If someone has a reason for their belief in God, they're welcome to give it. When that happens, I consider what they say. So far, none of the reasons I've heard have been compelling to me.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Can you prove there is no Micky Mouse living on the moon, of course you wouldn't bother would you?.
McBell
Unbound
Except for the fact that there are people on this very forum who believe in ESP and or telepathy for non-religious reasons.
Should I mention the fact that there are those who are religious who do not believe in god?
Even if your original claim was made in haste and meant to include all religious claims, the fact remains that there are many non-religious who believe in ESP and or reincarnation and or telepathy...
ImprobableBeing
Active Member
I realized as i wrote it that you had a point and i hoped you'd not notice it, that is the only fecking point you have though ESP. Out of ten you failed nine.
You want to be right... well.. i have some bad news for you, i'll hunt you and i will rip your ******* head off before admitting it... if you think you are a sore loser, i'm used to winning by being the last man alive, 401'st. IDF AMA, drafted for two nations.
Oh and have you seen the bum on Israeli soldiers, i think that is genetic, that pouty ... we could just have them turn and invade saudi arabia and no one would care.
Let it the **** slide, people are daft, does that need an explanation?
ImprobableBeing
Active Member
Yes people are daft... that doesn't help. They are about 10 in a million, shape the **** up, this doesn't matter in the least, whatever you do, do your best.
Not one discussion on here is worth half of your integrity.
In the end, we all will do what we need to do.
Captain Patrick P
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I see you're not very attentive to detail. You started the thread arguing against people who are completely certain that no kind of deity exists. Your wording in the OP is exactly the reason for the responses you got from Jayhawker, me and others. Now you change it to just people who don't believe there's any kind of god. "Don't believe" and "completely sure" are two very different things.
Nope, just being consistent.
this reply you made here should have been your first.
the question in the op is clearly can you prove a deity doesn't exist, not do you follow the belief in a deity. clearly.
The OP clearly says:
1) I've never heard of someone being 100% sure there is no kind of deity. What I've heard is people not believing there is any kind of deity, and even more common is people believing there is no theistic deity.
2) There isn't 100% proof that a theistic god exists, but the probability is low enough that it's reasonable to treat the concept no differently than we treat unicorns or dragons. But if you really want to discuss this with people who are 100% sure no kind of deity exists, you'll have to do some searching to find some.
The point of the question was that the number of people who are 100% convinced there is no kind of deity in existence is so minuscule, it's not worth arguing about, and you're highly unlikely to find any such people here anyway.
Now if you're just looking for the answer as to why some of us believe there is no god, that's been answered in this post and in others.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Are you trying to be absurd?but if one demands proof to be convinced, then they should be able to prove it's not true.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
This is the best post you have ever made.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Can you prove that?
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
I think he's saying that:
The absence of evidence is the evidence of absence.
Which I don't think it's true, but a lack of evidence is indeed evidence for something...
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Nonetheless, the non-existence of something cannot be proved.
Yep. It's kinda the problem with the OP, in truth. I hear agnostic and atheists incorrectly defined quite commonly, with atheists being assigned a position that even most 'strong atheists' (inc. Dawkins) wouldn't hold to. And a key reason for it is that you're arguing from a point of evidence, and it's just not logical to be able to prove non-existence.
Hence the Celestial Teapot argument.
The absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence. This is the principle that's used to determine whether a species is extinct, for example.
The absence of evidence just isn't proof of absence.
obviously you are very upset over what i replied to another person with, it seems suspicious to me that you take something so personal that wasn't directed towards you. if i am not mistaken, that was your first reply on this thread, and it just so happens to happen right after i made the reply to the other person i was currently in discussion with. so it makes me think someone is using multi-accounts.
usually the guilty will get very defensive, like you did, when it wasn't directed to you.
it also seems odd when someone acts like it's impossible for people to have multi accounts, like they couldn't do it from different computers/net service or a cell phone as well, as if it's never been done on any forums in internet history.
you could accuse me of doing that as well, but i am not, but more importantly i don't do suspicious things like what i had mentioned.
it's not that you HAVE to prove there is no deity. i am asking if you can, if you can't then why should i believe there definitely isn't a deity?
i never said you weren't god, you just asked how was this helpful? i said no because if you were god then you wouldn't be helpful to me. no offense.
i don't know if there is a Micky mouse living on the moon. i am not believing there is or isn't, i'm just not sure either way. if i ever visit the moon, then i might be able to tell you then.
if my friend says i own a dog and its in the back yard, but i am sure i don't own a dog, there's only one way to proof that. go and look myself, and show my friend that no dog is there.
that's the evidence, not only the backyard, but no where in the house.
now when it comes to a deity, does it have to been a physical being to be real?
Whiterain
Get me off of this planet
I am certain in the whole wide universe there is a God.
In myth and all the deities were "born" prior to the existence of the Earth itself after the calamity creating the cosmos, later explained through the spraying of Lady Hera's breast milk. That's a cynical joke thousands of years old.
Evolution isn't totally wrong.. I do not think Man evolved from Ape but the Devil hath
informed me that in the end Everyone will find out who ****** a Monkey.
Cheers.
Oh.. building on my previous statement, born as in didn't necessarily evolve but where birthed from the Earth, a Blue whale, a primordial seeming creature - Doesn't seem older than the gigantic sea scorpion. Birth from something, it might be considered
evolving. Man was created we're told as well, not born. Other than that cross breeding and mutation feels in the rest, other than that it is design and engineering.
In myth and all the deities were "born" prior to the existence of the Earth itself after the calamity creating the cosmos, later explained through the spraying of Lady Hera's breast milk. That's a cynical joke thousands of years old.
Evolution isn't totally wrong.. I do not think Man evolved from Ape but the Devil hath
informed me that in the end Everyone will find out who ****** a Monkey.
Cheers.
Oh.. building on my previous statement, born as in didn't necessarily evolve but where birthed from the Earth, a Blue whale, a primordial seeming creature - Doesn't seem older than the gigantic sea scorpion. Birth from something, it might be considered
evolving. Man was created we're told as well, not born. Other than that cross breeding and mutation feels in the rest, other than that it is design and engineering.
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that's not the topic at hand though.