can you proove there isn't a deity?

[Ingledsva]

you made a claim, i'd like to see where your claim is coming from. I'd like to verify what you have claimed for myself. And when i can't i will explain to you why you are mistaken with regard to your claim.

see above.


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[Ingledsva]

A future Hebrew Messiah was and still is being awaited.


And he was not a God, he is to be a human!

He's already come, and he was fully human. He will come again, to the shame of many.

So the upstart new religion claims, and the Jews say, "is Not!" And "does not fulfill all the prophecies!"





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[Sonofason]

So the upstart new religion claims, and the Jews say, "is Not!" And "does not fulfill all the prophecies!"





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And the Jews are right, all prophecies have not been fulfilled. When Jesus returns, more prophecies will be fulfilled. Some prophecies have been fulfilled since Jesus was crucified. Other prophecies are being fulfilled before our very eyes. Others will be fulfilled after Jesus returns. So the fact that all prophecies have not been fulfilled says nothing really, only that all prophecies have not been fulfilled.

 

[Ingledsva]

So the upstart new religion claims, and the Jews say, "is Not!" And "does not fulfill all the prophecies!"

And the Jews are right, all prophecies have not been fulfilled. When Jesus returns, more prophecies will be fulfilled. Some prophecies have been fulfilled since Jesus was crucified. Other prophecies are being fulfilled before our very eyes. Others will be fulfilled after Jesus returns. So the fact that all prophecies have not been fulfilled says nothing really, only that all prophecies have not been fulfilled.

Baloney! A specific set of events is supposed to happen - and NOT spread out over thousands of years.


Several of the people posting here on a regular basis, are Jewish - ask them.

They can then just repost the facts that they have already posted.



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[Sonofason]

Baloney! A specific set of events is supposed to happen - and NOT spread out over thousands of years.


Several of the people posting here on a regular basis, are Jewish - ask them.

They can then just repost the facts that they have already posted.



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Being Jewish does not give a person greater insight to truth than anyone else. If there are Jews that think that all prophesies must occur at the same time, I am afraid to tell you that they are all severely mistaken.

 

[Ingledsva]

I don't think you get what I am saying.

YHVH is just the name of one god of the Hebrew, in a book naming a bunch of gods of the Hebrew, and mythical creatures, magic, etc.


Why would/should that one name out of the bunch of mythical beings, - be considered real?

Name the book. Name the passage, chapter and verse if applicable.

Name the book for what exactly, so that I get you the right information.

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Decided to just add info to cover it all.


Exo 3:15 And Elohiym said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, YHVH, the Elohe of your fathers, the Elohe of Abraham, the Elohe of Isaac, and the Elohe of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is how I should be remembered from generation to generation.

Ex 6:2 And Elohiym spoke to Moses and said to him, I am YHVH.

Isa 42:8 I am YHVH; that is My name; and I will not give My glory to another, nor My praise to engraved images.

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Some of the Gods the Hebrew worshiped – Someone else started this list (thank you) and I added to it.


Asherah/Anath & and her consort El/ Baal, 1 Kings 11:5, 15: 11 & 12, and elsewhere.

Ba’al-ze’bub/Baal, 11 Kings 1: 2-16, 17: 10-17

Ash’toreth, Solomon and his people worshiped her, 1 Kings 11:5, 11 Kings 23:13.

Ba’al-berith – El-berith, “God of the covenant.” Judg. 9:46, 8:33, 9:4.

Ba’al-peor/Chemosh, The Israelites worshiped him on the Plains of Moab. Num. 25: 1-9, Psa. 106: 28, Hos. 9:10.

Chemosh, Solomon set a temple to him in Jerusalem, along with that to Ash’toreth, 1 Kings 11:7.

Bull Worship/Apis, 1 Kings 12: 28-33, and of course the Golden Calf.

Gad, God of Fortune, Isaiah 65:11

Me’ni, God of Destiny, Isaiah 65: 11

Mal’cham/Moloch, 1 Kings 11: 5, 33 – 11 Kings 23:13

Mero’dach, Worshipped by Nebuchadnezzar, Jer. 51: 44

Mo’lech, Solomon built him a temple at Tophet.

Nehush’tan, Serpent God, 11 Kings 18:4

Rephar, Israelites worshiped him in the desert, Acts 7: 43

Satyr/Pan, I put up a whole page on this awhile back. And a Temple of Pan has been uncovered in Israel.

“In northern Israel, the ancient city of Banyas has been excavated. It was the site of the Banyas spring, one of the sources of the river Jordan. A sanctuary complex to Pan has been found there:”

Tam’muz, Women cried for him at the Jerusalem Temple. Ezek. 8: 14, Jer. 22:18, Amos 8: 10, Zech. 12:10

The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead the dough, to make cakes to the Queen of Heaven,.- Jeremiah 7:18

NOTE - reposted as I don't know if you saw it.



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[Sonofason]

NOTE - reposted as I don't know if you saw it.



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Yes, the Bible is full of people who worshiped false gods, and the Bible certainly does give the names of many of those false gods. But the Bible is also very clear with regard to the name of the One True God.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Prove killing every human on earth by me is actually wrong without God.

If it's not wrong without God, why would it be wrong with God, even if God says not to do it? What would make it wrong to disobey God?

Edit: I've never heard any satisfactory explanation for why God would be relevant to what is or isn't moral.

 

[Sonofason]

If it's not wrong without God, why would it be wrong with God, even if God says not to do it? What would make it wrong to disobey God?

Edit: I've never heard any satisfactory explanation for why God would be relevant to what is or isn't moral.

The conditional statement:
If it is not wrong without God, it is not wrong with God.
The problem with your conditional statement is that the protasis is false.

There is no "without God". Therefore the apodosis is severely compromised.

You are creating an hypothetical condition which cannot exist.

 

[McBell]

The conditional statement:
If it is not wrong without God, it is not wrong with God.
The problem with your conditional statement is that the protasis is false.

There is no "without God". Therefore the apodosis is severely compromised.

You are creating an hypothetical condition which cannot exist.

More wishful thinking.
You do an awful lot of presenting opinion and wishful thinking as though it were fact.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The conditional statement:
If it is not wrong without God, it is not wrong with God.
The problem with your conditional statement is that the protasis is false.

There is no "without God". Therefore the apodosis is severely compromised.

You are creating an hypothetical condition which cannot exist.

Why is it impossible to exist? What is the difference between saying "without god is impossible" than "with god is impossible"?

 

[Ingledsva]

Yes, the Bible is full of people who worshiped false gods, and the Bible certainly does give the names of many of those false gods. But the Bible is also very clear with regard to the name of the One True God.

You said you were going to "explain" my mistakes!


Obviously, there was no mistake in what I said.


And the "people" worshiping all those gods, are the Hebrew - just as I said.


As to the, "Bible is also very clear with regard to the name of the One True God."


The Bible makes it clear that YHVH is just one of the Elohiym. The one pressed on the Hebrew people, through torture and murder, every time they tried to go back to their original Gods, by the later One God folks.




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[Sonofason]

You said you were going to "explain" my mistakes!


Obviously, there was no mistake in what I said.


And the "people" worshiping all those gods, are the Hebrew - just as I said.


As to the, "Bible is also very clear with regard to the name of the One True God."


The Bible makes it clear that YHVH is just one of the Elohiym. The one pressed on the Hebrew people, through torture and murder, every time they tried to go back to their original Gods, by the later One God folks.




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And to this, I say, opinions are a dime a dozen.

 

[McBell]

And to this, I say, opinions are a dime a dozen.

Is that why you continuously present yours as though they were fact?

 

[Sonofason]

Is that why you continuously present yours as though they were fact?

If you truly care to know, my opinions are facts.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

If you truly care to know, my opinions are facts.

Then they wouldn't be your opinions then. But please respond to my question at the top of the page.

 

[Sonofason]

Why is it impossible to exist? What is the difference between saying "without god is impossible" than "with god is impossible"?

God is the pre-eminent being. He is the first and the last. Without Him, nothing exists. It is impossible for God to not exist. He has always existed, he exists now, and He will always exist. There has never been a "real" condition where God is not existent. To say, "without God" is an unknowable expression. It has never happened. You cannot say that if it is okay to kill without God, then it must be okay to kill with God, for there has never been a condition without God, and there never shall be until God's judgment falls upon men. It will be at this point, a point in time that has never existed in the past, that men will experience what it is to be existent "without God", on the day that men are utterly deprived of His existence.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

God is the pre-eminent being. He is the first and the last. Without Him, nothing exists. It is impossible for God to not exist. He has always existed, he exists now, and He will always exist. There will never be a "real" condition where God is not existent. To say, "without God" is an unknowable expression. It has never happened. You cannot say that if it is okay to kill without God, then it must be okay to kill with God, for there has never been a condition without God, and there never shall be until God's judgment falls upon men. It will be at this point, a point in time that has never existed in the past, that men will experience what it is to be existent "without God", on the day that men are utterly deprived of His existence.

Okay. I get that all of this is your opinion. However that does not make it fact.

You have not provided a reason for me to accept this axiom that god is required for existence. That is a very crucial bit your missing. I could just as easily say this.

"God does not exist for he is not required. The universe has no need of him and therefore it is preverse to think that he exists."

The above is mostly nonesense. It is filled with a lot of false axioms that are not sustained as facts and are simply baseless claims.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If you truly care to know, my opinions are facts.

Okay, this guy is a Poe, right?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The conditional statement:
If it is not wrong without God, it is not wrong with God.
The problem with your conditional statement is that the protasis is false.

There is no "without God". Therefore the apodosis is severely compromised.

You are creating an hypothetical condition which cannot exist.

Take it up with your fellow Christian robin1. He was the one who asked about morality "without God". If you can't comprehend this possibility, then maybe you should leave the discussion to those who can.