can you remember being born?? i do

[ladybug77]

Its the first memory i can remember...except...i was only a spirit. I remember all the sudden being consciously aware of my being...and didnt know where i was. I immediately looked down at my 'hands'...and when i realized i didnt have a body...and i just simply WAS...i thought...o boy...im on earth...this outta be interesting. So i observed the room...to this day i can describe it in detail to my mother...who initially was dumbfounded the first time i mentioned my memory...its very accurate...and very real. I told myself it was a good idea to look out the window...and memorize something...sketch it in my mind...so i would have conformation later or something...so i memorized the opposing windows architecture. Lol. The design of the bricks...i then thought i should search for a clock on the wall....i wanted to make sure i remembered what time i was there apparently...2:45pm. (I was born at 3:12 pm i later found out) I finally was 100% sure i was witnessing my mother in a hospital room when i hovered to the ceiling to get a full-on view. And then.....blackness....followed by what seemed to be a fast moving tunnel of light....and i was calmly inside for the ride....moving at what seemed very high speeds...hard to describe it really...but i passed a few images towards the end of the tunnle...like it slowed down just enough for me to make out a man turning the knob on a 50s style tv console...(i have no idea about that one to this day...but. lol.) That was it...thats all i remember...my next memory wasnt until 1 1/2 or so...so im wondering if anyone can relate? And please...if your going to be rude...take it somewhere else...i seriously experienced this...i believe its 100% true so my 'religion' was formed by the fact that i am a spirit...i dont classify my beliefs into one 'religion'...but ive cut and pasted what fit the facts i new...and what branched out of those facts. Im im happy with it so far...so dont bring me down. thank you...and sorry if that was long winded. Input please and thank you.

 

[ladybug77]

Its the first memory i can remember...except...i was only a spirit. I remember all the sudden being consciously aware of my being...and didnt know where i was. I immediately looked down at my 'hands'...and when i realized i didnt have a body...and i just simply WAS...i thought...o boy...im on earth...this outta be interesting. So i observed the room...to this day i can describe it in detail to my mother...who initially was dumbfounded the first time i mentioned my memory...its very accurate...and very real. I told myself it was a good idea to look out the window...and memorize something...sketch it in my mind...so i would have conformation later or something...so i memorized the opposing windows architecture. Lol. The design of the bricks...i then thought i should search for a clock on the wall....i wanted to make sure i remembered what time i was there apparently...2:45pm. (I was born at 3:12 pm i later found out) I finally was 100% sure i was witnessing my mother in a hospital room when i hovered to the ceiling to get a full-on view. And then.....blackness....followed by what seemed to be a fast moving tunnel of light....and i was calmly inside for the ride....moving at what seemed very high speeds...hard to describe it really...but i passed a few images towards the end of the tunnle...like it slowed down just enough for me to make out a man turning the knob on a 50s style tv console...(i have no idea about that one to this day...but. lol.) That was it...thats all i remember...my next memory wasnt until 1 1/2 or so...so im wondering if anyone can relate? And please...if your going to be rude...take it somewhere else...i seriously experienced this...i believe its 100% true so my 'religion' was formed by the fact that i am a spirit...i dont classify my beliefs into one 'religion'...but ive cut and pasted what fit the facts i new...and what branched out of those facts. Im im happy with it so far...so dont bring me down. thank you...and sorry if that was long winded. Input please and thank you.

 

[Godobeyer]

do you you remember very the moment when you were inside your mother ? or out side ? or both ?

 

[ladybug77]

Apparently i remember approx 30 minutes BEFORE my actual birth...i could only see...i wasnt capable to hear anything...and i was unaware of ever being inside my mother...just present in the room analyzing the situation...remembering things..my guess is the whole light tunnel thing could have been the process of going threw the birth canal...or possibly my soul becoming one with my body...but thats pure speculation looking back now.

 

[idav]

I cant remember being born but I do remember coming into awareness. I slowly became aware as I came out of a black nothingness into a swirl of blurred colors. There are only flashes of memory before I get more detail at about a year and a half old. I was more fully aware by the time I was 2, or at least that is what conscious memory serves. One thing is when I was very young I remember being afraid of sleep because the blackness was very similar to the nothingness I remembered. As if no memory equals no awareness or existence.

 

[ladybug77]

I cant remember being born but I do remember coming into awareness. I slowly became aware as I came out of a black nothingness into a swirl of blurred colors. There are only flashes of memory before I get more detail at about a year and a half old. I was more fully aware by the time I was 2, or at least that is what conscious memory serves. One thing is when I was very young I remember being afraid of sleep because the blackness was very similar to the nothingness I remembered. As if no memory equals no awareness or existence.

Yea yea...a swirl of blurred colors...like a vortex like tunnel?? Sort of?? You can see it in your minds eye...but you just cant quite describe huh?? And i guess technically i dont remember the birthing part...but it was def. The day i was born..lol. when you came into awareness so to speak...can you remember how you felt?? Not in the darkness....but in the swirl?

 

[ladybug77]

'As if memory equals no awareness or exsistance'.....

OR...if no awareness equals no memory...but we still exist. i mean...i existed in between memories im sure...just didnt acknowledge it i guess...just blackness. Hum...interesting. glad someone can relate.

 

[idav]

Yea yea...a swirl of blurred colors...like a vortex like tunnel?? Sort of?? You can see it in your minds eye...but you just cant quite describe huh?? And i guess technically i dont remember the birthing part...but it was def. The day i was born..lol. when you came into awareness so to speak...can you remember how you felt?? Not in the darkness....but in the swirl?

I remember calmness as I flashed in and out of wake and dream states. Babies have blurred vision too so our visual of our birth couldnt be all that great.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Someone can't remember things that hadn't been lived in his Conscience.

 

[ladybug77]

Someone can't remember things that hadn't been lived in his Conscience.[/QUOTE
I agree, i was in a conscience state of 'being'...so thats how i remember.

 

[ladybug77]

I remember calmness as I flashed in and out of wake and dream states. Babies have blurred vision too so our visual of our birth couldnt be all that great.

I was calm also...and just to be clear...i only remember being a spirit...not in a body...and apparently noone could see me...but i could view them. I know babies cant see very clearly...but i wasnt using physical eyes to see...however that works...the hospital room plays out clear as day...the tunnel is a little more drifted in and out memory...which explains why its harder to describe...and blackness after that...until about 1 1/2 or 2 years of age.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

You have memories of your birth. Experience and memory are two different things.

We know newborns cannot form solid memories of experiences. The fact that you witnessed the room disembodied but you cannot fully remember the "tunnel" speaks to the fact that this was likely an invented memory, based on photos and stories of the birthing.

This is a debate thread. Remember this.

 

[George-ananda]

Its the first memory i can remember...except...i was only a spirit. I remember all the sudden being consciously aware of my being...and didnt know where i was. I immediately looked down at my 'hands'...and when i realized i didnt have a body...and i just simply WAS...i thought...o boy...im on earth...this outta be interesting. So i observed the room...to this day i can describe it in detail to my mother...who initially was dumbfounded the first time i mentioned my memory...its very accurate...and very real. I told myself it was a good idea to look out the window...and memorize something...sketch it in my mind...so i would have conformation later or something...so i memorized the opposing windows architecture. Lol. The design of the bricks...i then thought i should search for a clock on the wall....i wanted to make sure i remembered what time i was there apparently...2:45pm. (I was born at 3:12 pm i later found out) I finally was 100% sure i was witnessing my mother in a hospital room when i hovered to the ceiling to get a full-on view. And then.....blackness....followed by what seemed to be a fast moving tunnel of light....and i was calmly inside for the ride....moving at what seemed very high speeds...hard to describe it really...but i passed a few images towards the end of the tunnle...like it slowed down just enough for me to make out a man turning the knob on a 50s style tv console...(i have no idea about that one to this day...but. lol.) That was it...thats all i remember...my next memory wasnt until 1 1/2 or so...so im wondering if anyone can relate? And please...if your going to be rude...take it somewhere else...i seriously experienced this...i believe its 100% true so my 'religion' was formed by the fact that i am a spirit...i dont classify my beliefs into one 'religion'...but ive cut and pasted what fit the facts i new...and what branched out of those facts. Im im happy with it so far...so dont bring me down. thank you...and sorry if that was long winded. Input please and thank you.

This is fantastically interesting. I really want to call it a Pre-Birth Experience (PBE) as it seems to be similar and the reverse process of the Near Death Experience (NDE) with the hovering over the body, etc..

I wonder how many people have had this type of experience and if PBEs can be studied like NDEs.

 

[George-ananda]

This is a debate thread. Remember this.

Sounds like Ladybug is not much for debating this. But I am.

We know newborns cannot form solid memories of experiences.

Doesn't sound to me like she was a newborn at that point. She was a spirit about to incarnate a newborn body. That's why her next memory wasn't until 1 1/2 years of age.

The fact that you witnessed the room disembodied but you cannot fully remember the "tunnel" speaks to the fact that this was likely an invented memory, based on photos and stories of the birthing.

This doesn't strike me as likely. How does witnessing the room disembodied make it likely to be an 'invented memory'. The more likely explanation to me is she was in a disembodied state much like the NDE people.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

This doesn't strike me as likely. How does witnessing the room disembodied make it likely to be an 'invented memory'. The more likely explanation to me is she was in a disembodied state much like the NDE people.

There are any number of reported cases of individuals "creating" memories that they later believe to be real. Its one reason why no psychologist worth their salt will use deep meditation or hypnosis to try and recall memories.

Many of your current early childhood memories are often figminted to a degree. Our memory is very faulty like this. Its why we need to write things down to be sure.

 

[George-ananda]

There are any number of reported cases of individuals "creating" memories that they later believe to be real.

Yeah, but the majority of memories are a pretty correct recall of events.

Many of your current early childhood memories are often figminted to a degree. Our memory is very faulty like this. Its why we need to write things down to be sure.

Should we not accept any past memories then as they are so rarely written down? I believe my past memories while acknowledging they may not always be perfect. She obviously trusts her memory of the event. We cannot know either 0% or 100% that her memory was 'real', but her subjective belief that it was 'real' carries some weight with me. Particularly in light of so many similar memories reported by disembodied individuals; many with verifiable observations of things that do not seem like they could have been learned through the normal senses.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Yeah, but the majority of memories are a pretty correct recall of events.

Why do you assume this? (its wrong btw)

Should we not accept any past memories then as they are so rarely written down? I believe my past memories while acknowledging they may not always be perfect. She obviously trusts her memory of the event. We cannot know either 0% or 100% that her memory was 'real', but her subjective belief that it was 'real' carries some weight with me. Particularly in light of so many similar memories reported by disembodied individuals; many with verifiable observations of things that do not seem like they could have been learned through the normal senses.

You should not trust them 100%.

For example try to picture the face of your teacher when you were 5-6 years old. If you can muster a decent image I would urge you to find a picture of them and you will be shocked at how wrong you were.

Recent memories are pretty good. But how many times do you forget where you put your keys? Swore that a movie you watched had a line that you got wrong? Forgot your aniversary?

Long term memories are even worse. Rule of thumb is the further back the memory is the less accurate it can be. Also you don't get a complete picture of what you see anyway. Your braing categorizes what it precieves as important and more or less only remembers that bit.

If we try to "force" ourselves to remember something our brains will actually start making things up that we will think are real memories. It fills in little gaps here and there to try and complete the puzzle.

 

[Penumbra]

My earliest memories are from about age 4, or maybe a few months earlier.

 

[George-ananda]

You should not trust them 100%.

For example try to picture the face of your teacher when you were 5-6 years old. If you can muster a decent image I would urge you to find a picture of them and you will be shocked at how wrong you were.

Recent memories are pretty good. But how many times do you forget where you put your keys? Swore that a movie you watched had a line that you got wrong? Forgot your aniversary?

Long term memories are even worse. Rule of thumb is the further back the memory is the less accurate it can be. Also you don't get a complete picture of what you see anyway. Your braing categorizes what it precieves as important and more or less only remembers that bit.

If we try to "force" ourselves to remember something our brains will actually start making things up that we will think are real memories. It fills in little gaps here and there to try and complete the puzzle.

But the discussion above seems to miss the point in this case. The fact that she had any memories at all from the time of her birth is extraordinary. We’re not talking here about the accuracy of details of normal recollection. This is a different category of experience altogether and it seems to resemble near-death experiences (NDE). From NDE research we know people believe their experiences are more vivid and real than normal experiences. Particularly interesting to me are cases where the experiencer can describe things he could not have known through the normal channels.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

But the discussion above seems to miss the point in this case. The fact that she had any memories at all from the time of her birth is extraordinary. We’re not talking here about the accuracy of details of normal recollection. This is a different category of experience altogether and it seems to resemble near-death experiences (NDE). From NDE research we know people believe their experiences are more vivid and real than normal experiences. Particularly interesting to me are cases where the experiencer can describe things he could not have known through the normal channels.

Thats why I doubt she has those memories at all. and even if she does have "memories" of her birth they are more than likely "created" memories that developed later.