Canada anti-islamophobia motion M103

[Willamena]

I'll tell you what.... JT is in a panic at the moment. Flying all all over the country at taxpayers expense for Liberal party campaign interests. (Conflict of interest, anyone?).

Like that's not his job... And no, that's not a conflict of interest.

There are 5 by-elections scheduled. This is about the closest thing we have in Canada for any type of recall legislation. The concept of recall has been pushed for over 2 decades by conservatives, but the Liberals keep quashing any attempts to implement one.

What are you talking about, "recall legislation"? If you mean a recall election, well, a by-election is to put someone into a position of government, not remove them. As for removing them, are you not aware that we can force a general election just with a vote of non-confidence? Like the one that happened with Stephen Harper.

The 2 are out west and are practically guaranteed to go Conservative. But there are 3 Liberal ridings up for grabs down east. One is mainly government workers and fellow cronies, so it will probably stay Liberal. (It's been that way since the mid 1930's, so why change tradition?)

Why, indeed. Tradition is a conservative value.

But the other 2 are anybody's guess. Recent events have changed A LOT of Canadians view of the Liberal party. I think these by-elections should be a good indication of the attitudes of Canadians toward JT and his government's agenda. Even if none of the seats change their current hands, the numbers will be interesting. Let's wait until Monday and see what happens.

I'll be watching, then.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

who are the ones today causing the most problems around the world

That's a difficult question to answer. A great number of Christians are complicit in the spreading of AIDs, teenaged pregnancy, and teenaged suicide, America gained its sovereignty and immediately condemned other nations to what it had just fought a war to free itself from, marketing and advertising cause tons of damage,

Why would this motion single out Islam

Probably because it's a current discussion. They already have anti-discrimination against LBGT, so they're a bit further ahead than we are in America.

If not a Muslim, then an apologist.

You still have not provided evidence.

 

[icehorse]

You still have not provided evidence.

I suspect you know that sometimes it's a massive challenge to "prove" ideas. But among public critics of Islam my claim is common. Of course the idea that the term itself is a tool for the apologist is controversial. I will point you to an article that talks about the controversy. For my money, the fact that the controversy exists, is a form of "soft" proof.

Islamophobia - Wikipedia

In this case, I'm not claiming that the author of the motion is a stealth Islamist. But I AM saying that politicians ought to be aware that the word is controversial, and so they should be careful when using it.

 

[idav]

No, but I think many have been indoctrinated to push for Sharia. It's not totally logical or even conscious, it's an after-effect of indoctrination.

To me the problem with Islamic states is marrying religion to politics, like with Constantine and Christianity, as if Constantine really converted or represented anything but law Of course UK proves me wrong since they haven't even had capital punishment since the 70's, making US law more strict and anti-freedom than a western country that has sharia law in the books.

 

[icehorse]

To me the problem with Islamic states is marrying religion to politics

We are of a mind!

 

[leibowde84]

Would there be any problems if the motion was to set aside until AFTER INDEPENDENT studies were done, and those studies demonstrated that there was a genuine warrant for such a motion to be put forward for consideration as a bill of law?

It's not a "bill of law", it's a non-binding motion requesting these studies to be done. That's it. So, what's the difference? Obviously, a majority in Canada's house feels that this study is warranted and must be demanded by the state.

This motions is basically putting the cart before the horse. We have had mass shootings in Canada before. NONE of them have resulted in this kind of kneejerk reaction. It wasn't necessary then. It's certainly not necessary now.

Well, a majority in Canada's house disagrees with your opinion on this. And, with all due respect, I am confident that they have more information/evidence to work with than you or me.

 

[icehorse]

It's not a "bill of law", it's a non-binding motion requesting these studies to be done. That's it. So, what's the difference? Obviously, a majority in Canada's house feels that this study is warranted and must be demanded by the state.

The reason I brought this up in the first place was specifically the addition of the controversial, often dishonest term "Islamophobia". Discrimination is a worthy concern, "Islamophobia" - IMO - is a dishonest tool of the apologist. It attempts to block legitimate criticism by conflating actual discrimination with legitimate criticism.

 

[idav]

We are of a mind!

Sure, freedom of religion is better with separation of church and state, but better is relative when UK is pulling it off better than the US.

 

[MD]

Sure, freedom of religion is better with separation of church and state, but better is relative when UK is pulling it off better than the US.

The UK is becoming an Islamic state, I wouldn't say it's any better.

 

[idav]

The UK is becoming an Islamic state, I wouldn't say it's any better.

UK is less of a theocracy than the US is.

 

[MD]

UK is less of a theocracy than the US is.

Give it a couple of generations, UK and Europe will be Islamic majority and will become theocracies

 

[Vinayaka]

Lots of terms beside 'Islamophobia' have been added in the past to our general anti-discrimination laws. This addition of certain terms just so everyone is really clear is nothing new.

One was 'sexual orientation'.

It's similar to drugs and alcohol, a common phrasing. The term 'alcohol' is actually redundant because it is a drug, but folks still feel it needs to be added, just to make it clear, and lots of folks seem to need that.

 

[MD]

Lots of terms beside 'Islamophobia' have been added in the past to our general anti-discrimination laws. This addition of certain terms just so everyone is really clear is nothing new.

One was 'sexual orientation'.

It's similar to drugs and alcohol, a common phrasing. The term 'alcohol' is actually redundant because it is a drug, but folks still feel it needs to be added, just to make it clear, and lots of folks seem to need that.

There's nothing clear about Islamophobia, it's a made up term used to subvert criticism of Islam. Only Western leftists and Islamists feel it's a valid term.

 

[idav]

Give it a couple of generations, UK and Europe will be Islamic majority and will become theocracies

You got a crystal ball over there? The stats I gave last time you made such a claim show that Christianity will still outnumber Islam by 2050.

 

[Vinayaka]

There's nothing clear about Islamophobia, it's a made up term used to subvert criticism of Islam. Only Western leftists and Islamists feel it's a valid term.

Nothing clear about the term 'alcohol' either. There are lots of vague terms, especially in the political arena. Words like 'people' in the phrase, 'the 'people' are saying. Which people? How many?

You have to remember this was said right after a mass murder in a mosque. I suspect the usage of the term will fade in time.

 

[MD]

You got a crystal ball over there? The stats I gave last time you made such a claim show that Christianity will still outnumber Islam by 2050.

In the world? Or in Europe? I highly doubt that, can you source those again, considering how Christianity is dying in Europe at the moment.

 

[MD]

Nothing clear about the term 'alcohol' either. There are lots of vague terms, especially in the political arena. Words like 'people' in the phrase, 'the 'people' are saying. Which people? How many?

You have to remember this was said right after a mass murder in a mosque. I suspect the usage of the term will fade in time.

Alcohol is a chemical compound that can be used in certain concentrations to intoxicate people. Islamophobia is not only vague, it's a form of subterfuge.

What happened after the terrorist attack on parliament in Ottawa? Where was the moral outrage?

And fyi I'm Canadian and I've experience racism due to my heritage, so that should break all your SJW arguments.

 

[Vinayaka]

Alcohol is a chemical compound that can be used in certain concentrations to intoxicate people. Islamophobia is not only vague, it's a form of subterfuge.

What happened after the terrorist attack on parliament in Ottawa? Where was the moral outrage?

And fyi I'm Canadian and I've experience racism due to my heritage, so that should break all your SJW arguments.

There are hundreds of kinds of alcohol.

Yes I'm Canadian too. Good to hear you are. I guess we'll see in a few years whether or not Islamophobia is still part of the vocabulary used. My guess is it won't be.

 

[idav]

In the world? Or in Europe? I highly doubt that, can you source those again, considering how Christianity is dying in Europe at the moment.

• In Europe, Muslims will make up 10% of the overall population.

Size and Projected Growth of Major Religious Groups

 

[MD]

There are hundreds of kinds of alcohol.

Yes I'm Canadian too. Good to hear you are. I guess we'll see in a few years whether or not Islamophobia is still part of the vocabulary used. My guess is it won't be.

My guess is it wont because the Liberals will face a massive loss due to their support of Islamist ideals. Bernier will change things, and stop this bs. As much as I dislike the Conservatives, I do hope they win.

Canadians are not Europeans, we will not sit back and take whatever comes our way no matter how much leftists try to shove this **** down our throats.