Canada anti-islamophobia motion M103

[Shadow Wolf]

Which claim specifically have I done nothing more than speculate on?

That there is some hidden Muslim agenda behind it.

 

[icehorse]

That there is some hidden Muslim agenda behind it.

Did you read the link I posted in #223? As far as "hidden", i'm not sure it's hidden, sadly it doesn't need to be. The OIC can openly push the UN for worldwide blasphemy laws over and over again, and secularists don't seem to get the message. So, what would "proof" look like for you? If I could cite cases where criticism was called Islamophobic, would that count?

 

[psychoslice]

You're in Australia, right?

So, what happens there can also affect other parts of the world.

 

[Vinayaka]

So, what happens there can also affect other parts of the world.

Yes, we got great news today that the economy here is booming. I'll have to look into the organisation of government in Australia. It's probably relatively similar to ours, both roughly based on Britain. One of the common mistakes from the people just to the south of us is to assume our laws and levels of government are the same as theirs, whereas in fact they're quite different. Our prime minister has far less power than their president does.

 

[Vinayaka]

I learned one difference between Canada and Australia is you guys have an elected senate, whereas ours is appointed, often (some would say always) by patronage. But ours doesn't actually do much and there is constant talk of abolishing or reforming it.

 

[Notanumber]

What is the world coming to?

 

[icehorse]

@Notanumber

Pretty good video, but a little bit inconsistent... are they advocating for equal time for preaching in the public square?

 

[leibowde84]

No I don't. It's a fundamentally dishonest term. It's a bit of propaganda we should do away with.

Why though? There is obviously prejudice against Muslims that exists, so why shouldn't there be a term to describe it?

 

[Notanumber]

@Notanumber

Pretty good video, but a little bit inconsistent... are they advocating for equal time for preaching in the public square?

In that part, they are pointing out that it is not level playing field.

This is from the video description - Canada plans to pass Motion 103, which gives special consideration for Islamophobia, and therefore special protections to Muslims and the Islamic faith. Meanwhile it is clearly Christians who should be worried about discrimination.

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[icehorse]

Why though? There is obviously prejudice against Muslims that exists, so why shouldn't there be a term to describe it?

Because apologists use the word to attempt to stifle criticism.

Why not just call discrimination "discrimination"?

 

[icehorse]

Meanwhile it is clearly Christians who should be worried about discrimination.

So I could imagine this video has a couple of different agendas:

1 - A secularist agenda
2 - A Christian agenda
3 - An anti-Islam agenda

Do you have a sense of which of these were intended?

 

[leibowde84]

Because apologists use the word to attempt to stifle criticism.

Why not just call discrimination "discrimination"?

It's just a specific kind of discrimination. There is growing animosity toward Muslims these days due to people connecting Muslims in general with extremists/fundamentalists. So, it is a growing problem.

But, I agree that criticism of any religion should be fair game.

Can we agree that, if criticism of Islam wasn't included, Islamophobia would be an acceptable term?

 

[icehorse]

Can we agree that, if criticism of Islam wasn't included, Islamophobia would be an acceptable term?

Well, what specific behaviors would garner the label?

 

[UpperLimits]

It's just a specific kind of discrimination. There is growing animosity toward Muslims these days due to people connecting Muslims in general with extremists/fundamentalists. So, it is a growing problem.

I think there would be a loss less of this "growing animosity" if Muslims themselves joined in the criticisms of the extremists/fundamentalists and openly condemned their actions en masse. That's just not happening. The silence is deafening. And their silence is generally being interpreted as complicity.

But, I agree that criticism of any religion should be fair game.

Absolutely.

 

[Notanumber]

So I could imagine this video has a couple of different agendas:

1 - A secularist agenda
2 - A Christian agenda
3 - An anti-Islam agenda

Do you have a sense of which of these were intended?

Is this a better video?

 

[leibowde84]

Well, what specific behaviors would garner the label?

Calling Muslims terrorists for how they dress. Burning down mosques.

I think there would be a loss less of this "growing animosity" if Muslims themselves joined in the criticisms of the extremists/fundamentalists and openly condemned their actions en masse. That's just not happening. The silence is deafening. And their silence is generally being interpreted as complicity.

Absolutely.

This is a myth. There are plenty of Muslims who speak out against terrorism.

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Muslims Speak Out Against Terrorist Attacks in Paris

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-rep...enounce-terrorism-though-the-media-ignores-it

 

[Vinayaka]

Calling Muslims terrorists for how they dress. Burning down mosques.

This is a myth. There are plenty of Muslims who speak out against terrorism.

Muslims Are Speaking Out - #MASO

Muslims Against ISIS

The Big Lie About Muslim Silence on Terrorism | The Huffington Post

This Teen Was Told Muslims Never Denounce Acts of Terrorism — So She Gathered the RECEIPTS

Muslims Speak Out Against Terrorist Attacks in Paris

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-rep...enounce-terrorism-though-the-media-ignores-it

Or worse, walking into a mosque and shooting them dead.

To address 'phobia' a bit. But in the past, tons of words have been combined with 'phobia. Homophobia, Christophobia, Hinduphobia, etc. It's common. When hanging out with some western Canadians, I could say they have Torontophobia the way they speak about Toronto. It describes anything bordering on the irrational.

 

[icehorse]

Is this a better video?

Well Bill Warner is certainly more focused

I thought the earlier video was okay - but can you see how it's message(s) was a bit conflated?

 

[icehorse]

Calling Muslims terrorists for how they dress. Burning down mosques.

I still think "Islamophobia" is a dishonest term.

This is a myth. There are plenty of Muslims who speak out against terrorism.

I think "terrorism" is largely a red herring. What I want to understand is this: What does Islam offer to secularism? (In my experience, Islam has nothing to offer to secularism and a lot to detract from secularism.)

 

[leibowde84]

I still think "Islamophobia" is a dishonest term.



I think "terrorism" is largely a red herring. What I want to understand is this: What does Islam offer to secularism? (In my experience, Islam has nothing to offer to secularism and a lot to detract from secularism.)

What does any ancient religion have to offer secularism?