Canada anti-islamophobia motion M103

[Willamena]

This is a critical point to clarify, thanks for bringing it up.

If someone claims discrimination against Muslims, that makes sense, and it's a real issue. But "Islamophobia" is a term made up by apologists in an attempt to lump legitimate criticism in with discrimination. Kind of like a secret rider on a bill in Washington. Notice that they tacked "Islamophobia" on at the end. This was not an accident. Islamists want to sneak in rules so that they can stifle criticism.

Discrimination is discrimination. Islamophobia is something different.

Islamophobia is a term made up by social media to address a climate of fear and hatred of Islam in general. It has nothing to do with apologetics.

 

[Willamena]

Muslim vs Islamist

Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The point is that this is the second time in a few months that Islamists have pushed such a motion.

That has been claimed a couple times, but yet no one has provided evidence to support this claim.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Islamophobia is a term made up by social media to address a climate of fear and hatred of Islam in general. It has nothing to do with apologetics.

Merriam-Webster says otherwise, though:

Definition of Islamophobia

irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against Islam or people who practice Islam

Islamophobe
play\is-ˈlä-mə-ˌfōb, iz-, -ˈla-\ noun

Islamophobic
play\is-ˌlä-mə-ˈfō-bik, iz-, -ˈla-\ adjective

First Known Use of islamophobia
1923

 

[Willamena]

Merriam-Webster says otherwise, though:

But in the context of the bill, it only refers to Islamophobia in the modern social media setting: "the increasing public climate of hate and fear."

Iqra Khalid - Private Members' Motions - Current Session (Filtered Results)

 

[Debater Slayer]

But in the context of the bill, it only refers to Islamophobia in the modern social media setting: "the increasing public climate of hate and fear."

Iqra Khalid - Private Members' Motions - Current Session (Filtered Results)

That seems to me to be different from the word itself, which is decades old. It also makes me question whether such a motion would be much better represented and served by the use of a less charged and less frequently abused term than "Islamophobia."

 

[Willamena]

That seems to me to be different from the word itself, which is decades old.

There can be no doubt that it is. It's modern.

It also makes me question whether such a motion would be much better represented and served by the use of a less charged and less frequently abused term than "Islamophobia."

I don't think it would be, because the hatred and fear of all things Islam is the modern phenomenon it is designed to address.

 

[UpperLimits]

It was a reaction to the terror attack on the Mosque so garnered a specific mention.

And a knee-jerk one at that.

 

[icehorse]

Hyperbole doesn't help your case. I'm sure the hundreds of millions who aren't oppressed would agree.

Say what now?

 

[icehorse]

I don't think it would be, because the hatred and fear of all things Islam is the modern phenomenon it is designed to address.

Now who's being hyperbolic? There are millions upon millions of people, non-Muslims and apostates who have taken a long, hard look at Islam and concluded that it is a hate-filled ideology. Islamists are quite keen on stifling criticism of Islam.

 

[icehorse]

Muslim vs Islamist

Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism

I skimmed the article - it seems reasonable. I don't know if it mentioned that somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of all Muslims are Islamists?

 

[UpperLimits]

Are there any juridic sources on line which can explain in detail what this law will be about? The cases in which it will be applied?
Are there similar laws as for other religions?
In other words, if I am a Canadian person and I want to write a book titled "Christianity is a false religion", can I do that? Or does it constitute hate speech?

Technically, yes. But in practice Christianity is open season. Try writing it against another religion and you could find yourself shut down and dragged before a Human Rights Commission. For those who are unfamiliar with Canadian politics, a "Human Right Tribunal" is sort of an informal court with demi-god powers. They use much different standards for "evidence" (hearsay is often accepted) than a regular court and there is little, if any, recourse on their decisions.

 

[idav]

Now who's being hyperbolic? There are millions upon millions of people, non-Muslims and apostates who have taken a long, hard look at Islam and concluded that it is a hate-filled ideology. Islamists are quite keen on stifling criticism of Islam.

Like Christian's who think anyone not Christian is satanic. What your saying doesn't support who attacked a mosque and killed people In Quebec, terrorist style. I don't see Christian churches being attacked so who has the irrational fear?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

These types of actions generally only serve to contribute to the feedback mechanisms which increase the level of what they're trying to reduce. If their actual goal is to reduce "Islamophobia," then this is not only an ineffective way to go about it, but also likely counterproductive.

Then again, government-driven social mandates are usually about lip service, not about accomplishing anything useful.

 

[Willamena]

I skimmed the article - it seems reasonable. I don't know if it mentioned that somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of all Muslims are Islamists?

It suggests 1/10 in the year it's written, 1998.

 

[Willamena]

These types of actions generally only serve to contribute to the feedback mechanisms which increase the level of what they're trying to reduce. If their actual goal is to reduce "Islamophobia," then this is not only an ineffective way to go about it, but also likely counterproductive.

Then again, government-driven social mandates are usually about lip service, not about accomplishing anything useful.

I suspect that's entirely correct.

 

[leibowde84]

I have looked through a fare bit, wasn't very nice at all, the Quran wasn't that nice either, no wonder these people think they way they do.

What wasn't "nice" about it? Can you be more specific?

 

[leibowde84]

This is a critical point to clarify, thanks for bringing it up.

If someone claims discrimination against Muslims, that makes sense, and it's a real issue. But "Islamophobia" is a term made up by apologists in an attempt to lump legitimate criticism in with discrimination. Kind of like a secret rider on a bill in Washington. Notice that they tacked "Islamophobia" on at the end. This was not an accident. Islamists want to sneak in rules so that they can stifle criticism.

Discrimination is discrimination. Islamophobia is something different.

Can you back this up? Because every single source I've gone to since you wrote this has agreed that "Islamophobia" refers to (or at least includes) discrimination against Muslims because of their religion (just like anti-semitism). Discrimination against Muslims due to their faith is certainly very real and has been a problem in the US (where I live) since 9/11.

 

[icehorse]

Like Christian's who think anyone not Christian is satanic. What your saying doesn't support who attacked a mosque and killed people In Quebec, terrorist style. I don't see Christian churches being attacked so who has the irrational fear?

How does stifling criticism help? Doesn't that just bottle up more anger? And would you really be willing to limit free speech?

 

[icehorse]

It suggests 1/10 in the year it's written, 1998.

Well much more recent pew polls indicate it's more like 1/3 to 1/2:

The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society

(BTW, I think I've included this link dozens of times on RF. I wish apologists would read this study.)