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Canada anti-islamophobia motion M103

UpperLimits

Active Member
Why, did they target their own mosques, who are the dangerous "religions" targeting mosques?
That possibility actually exists. One fact being kept under wraps by most media is that the shooter was a frequent visitor to the mosque, and may have been a recent convert. For whatever reason, he "lost it" that day. Now, whether his apparent "conversion" was feigned is yet to be determined. Nobody's releasing any more information at the moment.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
But make no mistake, it's equally outrageous that some Christian GOP politician said the other day that rape and incest are god's will... ARGH!!
I didn't hear about the other day, but about four years ago in Indiana Tea Party hopeful Richard Mourdock, a Republican who ousted Republican incumbent Richard Lugar during the primaries, made such a claim. He was expected to waltz into the Senate, but he made that comment just a few days before the election and it ended up sending Joe Donnelly (D) instead.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I didn't hear about the other day, but about four years ago in Indiana Tea Party hopeful Richard Mourdock, a Republican who ousted Republican incumbent Richard Lugar during the primaries, made such a claim. He was expected to waltz into the Senate, but he made that comment just a few days before the election and it ended up sending Joe Donnelly (D) instead.

ugh, so sad
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
ugh, so sad
While I thought him pathetic for saying that, it turned out to not be quite so sad as he went from expecting a massive win in such a Conservative state to sinking his own ship just before docking.
So people here may elect evolution denying, gay rights hating, downplaying the risks of smoking buffoons for governors, but saying a woman becoming pregnant from rape being god's will and a beautiful thing was not well received here.
 
it conflates discrimination with criticism. It allows criticism to be labeled "islamophobia"

It's not a law. It cannot be turned into a law. It allows nothing or prohibits nothing. It has literally no direct effect on anything.

It's basically someone saying "This is my opinion, do you agree with me?' Some did, some didn't.

It carries as much legislative weight as this thread.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
That possibility actually exists. One fact being kept under wraps by most media is that the shooter was a frequent visitor to the mosque, and may have been a recent convert. For whatever reason, he "lost it" that day. Now, whether his apparent "conversion" was feigned is yet to be determined. Nobody's releasing any more information at the moment.
The whole, stopping people from coming into the doesn't stop cases like that, but I certainly don't see terrorists attacking churches but some Christian, possible "covert", takes issue. Just read an article they are indicting a racists as a terrorism in ny.
Racist 'assassin' indicted as terrorist in NYC murder of black man
A more recent multiple shooting, didn't even get headlines like that of "terror" shootings. Crime is not exclusively to one religion or culture.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
As I looked up several reference sources I saw that sometimes your definition is correct and sometimes mine is.

I would like to be able to label that fraction of the world's Muslims who believe that Sharia should be the law of the land. What label would you like me to use? (This is a sincere question.)
Muslims who believe that Sharia should be the law of their country? That alone certainly doesn't make them "Islamists", as that requires being an advocate of militancy or fundamentalism. I think they are merely Muslims that think Sharia should be the law of their country. Obviously, from the articles you provided, the vast majority of them already live in majority muslim countries, so there would be no militancy involved.

Can you provide a source that confirms your definition of "Islamist"?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Muslims who believe that Sharia should be the law of their country? That alone certainly doesn't make them "Islamists", as that requires being an advocate of militancy or fundamentalism. I think they are merely Muslims that think Sharia should be the law of their country. Obviously, from the articles you provided, the vast majority of them already live in majority muslim countries, so there would be no militancy involved.

Can you provide a source that confirms your definition of "Islamist"?

Islamism - Wikipedia

among others

But again, for clarification, the definition I'm using in this thread is: Muslims who think the law of the land should be Sharia. One frequent point of debate is whether that means that Sharia should rule the world or not. That's more slippery.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Exactly. Not yet. When a blasphemy law comes up for a vote, I would wholeheartedly be against it, no matter what religion it claimed to protect.
This is where I stand. It's foolish to fight and oppose everything, and to be victorious you must choose your battles carefully. Can it really be said it's worth fighting a non-binding motion that is more interested in studying the effects of a specific type of bigotry is anything worth investing time, energy, effort, and money into when there comes no consequences, legal repercussions, or actual laws?
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Islamism - Wikipedia

among others

But again, for clarification, the definition I'm using in this thread is: Muslims who think the law of the land should be Sharia. One frequent point of debate is whether that means that Sharia should rule the world or not. That's more slippery.
I would agree that Muslims who want the entire world to be ruled by Sharia would be accurately considered "Islamists". But, the article you cited didn't speak to that, unless i missed something. I only saw data regarding Muslims who want the law of their specific country to be Sharia.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
This is where I stand. It's foolish to fight and oppose everything, and to be victorious you must choose your battles carefully. Can it really be said it's worth fighting a non-binding motion that is more interested in studying the effects of a specific type of bigotry is anything worth investing time, energy, effort, and money into when there comes no consequences, legal repercussions, or actual laws?
I agree. I feel like those who would oppose a mere study of this kind in a way are demonstrating some animosity towards Islam.
 
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