Can't religion and evolution be merged as one?

[Magic Man]

But the whole point in religion is about faith/non-proof.

Thank you for saying this.

I find it a highly respectable theory if you believe in a religion and want to understand how the universe was made in a scientific theory.

Many people believe in religion and accept evolution. It's the rational way to go.

 

[rusra02]

Supporting dishonesty with more dishonesty does not help your position any.

I would not expect to learn the truth about Jesus from the Pharisees, and it's naive to believe you would expect the truth about Expelled from the evolutionists whose biases and reprehensible conduct the documentary exposes.

 

[rusra02]

Go back to the beginning. Adam ain't the first man. If anything, Adam is the first prophet.

Without evolution, that book is just a book. With evolution; that book might have something to say.

Evolution is, in fact, a complete repudiation of ALL that the Bible teaches. It is a terrible lie that pseudo-science tries to foist on us. We are victims of a full-press propaganda campaign where on TV and in print you constantly hear or read phrases such as some animal or plant "evolved the amazing ability"...(to do something that cannot possibly have come about by chance)

We can apply the words of Romans 3:4 to evolution theory: "But let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, even as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.” "

First, if evolution is true, God is lying when he said he made plants and animals directly, and that he formed man from the dust of the earth. (Genesis 1:25,2:7)

Second, if Adam is a myth, so is the sin that Adam committed. (Romans 5:12) And it must follow that Jesus did not come to give his soul as a ransom in exchange for many. (Matthew 20:28) Thus evolution negates the need for Jesus Christ. The hope of the resurrection would therefore be a lie and God's purpose to end wickedness would likewise be untrue. (1 Corinthians 15:12-14, Acts 17:30,31)

Happily, the theory of evolution has proven to be a gigantic fraud, repudiated by millions of intelligent, thinking people, including many scientists. Sadly, many do not make the effort to learn the facts, but blindly follow the scientific pharisees who disparage and villify any who dare disagree with their theories. (I do not mean to criticize the many honest scientists and others who believe in evolution, but only those who try to quell dissent, and mock those who disagree with them.)

 

[sniper762]

mball, you say: Many people believe in religion and accept evolution. It's the rational way to go.

religion = ?......christianity?......bible believing? do you? please explain

 

[IAMDONE]

Evolution and the big bang contradict Many religions...LOL
I don't think you know much about your religion.

 

[Etritonakin]

So people say either God made the universe, or the universe made the universe.

Well can't in fact there be a God, and yet the universe made the universe.
So in this instance, lets imagine that God made the big bang or whatever made the universe. Then from then on with Gods help we evolutionism into what we are now?

This is my personally opinion and I look forward to replies from fellow religious people.

Some actually say the universe could have created a being with God-like attributes, but that such must have evolved. I disagree.

Are you referring to the God of the bible?

What is written in the bible does allow for God to have initiated the universe by the "big bang" -as if the big bang were a seed sown which would produce something (the similarities between seeds and the big bang fascinate me).
What is true about evolution certainly was purposed -and could possibly have been included in the "initial package", so to speak, but this is not to say that God does not also directly create by fiat as things progress -even influencing evolution as we ourselves do.

Adam was created directly -he did not have a human father or mother. He is called the first man by biblical definition -not by scientific definition. The bible does not actually say the earth was created about 6,000 years ago -but that Adam was.
It actually places Lucifer on Earth -in Eden -before he rebelled and staged a coup against God's throne -and was cast back down. He and the third of the angels he was responsible for and had deceived were likely responsible for the earth BECOMING (look up the word translated "was" in Gen 1:2) formless and void (laid waste and ruined -look those up, too) before what was left of it was REcreated as outlined in Genesis 1.

What we see in the fossil record does not contradict the bible -and evolution can obviously be influenced by creativity.

Who is to say that the humanoids -even civilizations -obvioulsy present on earth before Adam were not previous "models" -part of God "field-testing" in preparation for Adam?

God's been around forever -he's very smart.
more later...

 

[ellenjanuary]

Evolution is, in fact, a complete repudiation of ALL that the Bible teaches. It is a terrible lie that pseudo-science tries to foist on us. We are victims of a full-press propaganda campaign where on TV and in print you constantly hear or read phrases such as some animal or plant "evolved the amazing ability"...(to do something that cannot possibly have come about by chance)

We can apply the words of Romans 3:4 to evolution theory: "But let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, even as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.” "

First, if evolution is true, God is lying when he said he made plants and animals directly, and that he formed man from the dust of the earth. (Genesis 1:25,2:7)

Second, if Adam is a myth, so is the sin that Adam committed. (Romans 5:12) And it must follow that Jesus did not come to give his soul as a ransom in exchange for many. (Matthew 20:28) Thus evolution negates the need for Jesus Christ. The hope of the resurrection would therefore be a lie and God's purpose to end wickedness would likewise be untrue. (1 Corinthians 15:12-14, Acts 17:30,31)

Happily, the theory of evolution has proven to be a gigantic fraud, repudiated by millions of intelligent, thinking people, including many scientists. Sadly, many do not make the effort to learn the facts, but blindly follow the scientific pharisees who disparage and villify any who dare disagree with their theories. (I do not mean to criticize the many honest scientists and others who believe in evolution, but only those who try to quell dissent, and mock those who disagree with them.)

Wow. Do you even hear the words coming out of your mouth?

I believe in evolution. You call god a liar. That's all you, dude. I'm not even standing next to you.

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is, in fact, a complete repudiation of ALL that the Bible teaches. It is a terrible lie that pseudo-science tries to foist on us. We are victims of a full-press propaganda campaign where on TV and in print you constantly hear or read phrases such as some animal or plant "evolved the amazing ability"...(to do something that cannot possibly have come about by chance)

We can apply the words of Romans 3:4 to evolution theory: "But let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, even as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.” "

First, if evolution is true, God is lying when he said he made plants and animals directly, and that he formed man from the dust of the earth. (Genesis 1:25,2:7)

Second, if Adam is a myth, so is the sin that Adam committed. (Romans 5:12) And it must follow that Jesus did not come to give his soul as a ransom in exchange for many. (Matthew 20:28) Thus evolution negates the need for Jesus Christ. The hope of the resurrection would therefore be a lie and God's purpose to end wickedness would likewise be untrue. (1 Corinthians 15:12-14, Acts 17:30,31)

Happily, the theory of evolution has proven to be a gigantic fraud, repudiated by millions of intelligent, thinking people, including many scientists. Sadly, many do not make the effort to learn the facts, but blindly follow the scientific pharisees who disparage and villify any who dare disagree with their theories. (I do not mean to criticize the many honest scientists and others who believe in evolution, but only those who try to quell dissent, and mock those who disagree with them.)

Im not sure you understand whats going on here to make a statement that far from reality.

Theory in science DOES not mean conjecture.

Evolution is both a theory and a fact. A fact is something we observe in the world, and a theory is our best explanation for it


Theories are intended to be an accurate, predictive description of the natural world.

Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time

 

[Father Heathen]

I would not expect to learn the truth about Jesus from the Pharisees, and it's naive to believe you would expect the truth about Expelled from the evolutionists whose biases and reprehensible conduct the documentary exposes.

I thought we've already established earlier in this thread that the "documentary" was exposed to be nothing more that a dishonest piece of propaganda. Seriously, since when has Ben Stein ever had any credibility?

 

[rusra02]

Im not sure you understand whats going on here to make a statement that far from reality.

Theory in science DOES not mean conjecture.

Evolution is both a theory and a fact. A fact is something we observe in the world, and a theory is our best explanation for it


Theories are intended to be an accurate, predictive description of the natural world.

Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time

That is simply not true. Evolution is not a fact. It is a (unproven) theory and repeating over and over that it is a fact does not make it so.

 

[rusra02]

I thought we've already established earlier in this thread that the "documentary" was exposed to be nothing more that a dishonest piece of propaganda. Seriously, since when has Ben Stein ever had any credibility?

Who is this 'we'? If Stein's movie is a dishonest piece of propaganda, why fear people watching it? To the contrary, the ToE is a dishonest piece of propaganda, and examining the evidence for oneself rather than be led by 'we' is the course of wisdom.

 

[outhouse]

the ToE is a dishonest piece of propaganda,

im sorry but your very wrong again.

Evolution is based on facts. Theres no debate and there hasnt been one for over a hundred years.

Creation was outlawed for a reason

 

[Autodidact]

That is simply not true. Evolution is not a fact. It is a (unproven) theory and repeating over and over that it is a fact does not make it so.

I'm so fatigued at explaining the same basic concepts to you over and over. It's like arguing with a kindergartner. *sigh*

1. Evolution is a fact and a theory.
2. Theories are never proven. Nothing in science is proven. A theory, in science, is a complete explanation of an entire set of facts, such as the Theory of Gravity, Theory of Germs, Theory of Heliocentrism. It is the highest level of scientific knowledge. Please educate yourself so we can have a reasonably intelligent discussion.

Answers in Genesis, Arguments creationists should avoid:

Arguments that should be avoided (because further research is still needed, new research has invalided aspects of it, or biblical implications may discount it)

1. Evolution is just a theory. (“Theory” has a stronger meaning in scientific fields than in general usage; it is better to say that evolution is just a hypothesis or one model to explain the untestable past.)

 

[Autodidact]

That is simply not true. Evolution is not a fact. It is a (unproven) theory and repeating over and over that it is a fact does not make it so.

Please learn some basic science. Or just try to persuade us that science doesn't work.

When scientists say "evolution is a fact", they are using one of two meanings of the word "fact". One meaning is empirical: evolution can be observed through changes in allele frequencies or traits of a population over successive generations.
Another way "fact" is used is to refer to a certain kind of theory, one that has been so powerful and productive for such a long time that it is universally accepted by scientists. When scientists say evolution is a fact in this sense, they mean it is a fact that all living organisms have descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) [8] even though this cannot be directly observed. This implies more tangibly that it is a fact that humans share a common ancestor with other primates.

[wiki]

 

[Autodidact]

Who is this 'we'? If Stein's movie is a dishonest piece of propaganda, why fear people watching it? To the contrary, the ToE is a dishonest piece of propaganda, and examining the evidence for oneself rather than be led by 'we' is the course of wisdom.

So you think science doesn't work?

 

[Father Heathen]

Who is this 'we'? If Stein's movie is a dishonest piece of propaganda, why fear people watching it?

I don't "fear" people watching it. I just don't like seeing the ignorant and gullible being deliberately deceived and misinformed.

To the contrary, the ToE is a dishonest piece of propaganda,

No, what's dishonest is ignoring the insurmountable mountain of logic and evidence and the solid scientific study that supports ToE.

and examining the evidence for oneself rather than be led by 'we' is the course of wisdom.

Then what are you waiting for? Go examine it already if that's what you honestly believe. Don't you think it's a little silly to trust ancient and primitive savages over modern, highly intelligent and educated scientists?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Correct. This is exactly why Theistic Evolution is impossible, at least in the context of Christianity or any other Abrahamic faith. Only Deists can support Theistic Evolution.

Plenty of Christians see the Creation story as non-literal, and the big bang and evolution as the means to how God created the universe, and some believed he played a part in guiding evolution. And in a since if you look at each day of Creation is a very long period, while it's not entirely accurate, you can see things appearing over a very long period of time, and ending with humans. As I said it isn't entirely accurate, but with a slight twist to the interpretation it can be seen as putting the pieces of evolution together in the wrong order.

 

[McBell]

I would not expect to learn the truth about Jesus from the Pharisees, and it's naive to believe you would expect the truth about Expelled from the evolutionists whose biases and reprehensible conduct the documentary exposes.

One would expect you to verify the truths from the lies though.
By trying to use Expelled as a source, you have shown that you have little or no interest in verifying the truth of anything you happen to like or agree with.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Religiolution.



Next!

 

[Valjean]

Rusra you don't seem understand what facts and theories are.

First, as has been pointed out, theory, in science, is a technical term and doesn't mean conjecture or speculation, as it does in everyday speech. Moreover scientific theories never get proven, you're thinking of mathematical theories, I suspect. Eg: germs cause disease; the Earth's not flat, but a sphere; and the Earth revolves around the Sun, not vice versa -- all theories.

Here's a link better explaining it: Stephen J. Gould: Evolution as Fact and Theory.