Capitalists may have the same mentality as Nazis: that people must be enslaved

[Estro Felino]

Good thing Europe as a whole doesn't see that one happening. Lots and lots of Europeans love freedom and liberty, things that do mot exist in Russia.

Not if we as EU, democratically decide to have a political alliance with Russia. That is our own fabulous business. Not America's.

And by fabulous I mean another word starting by F, in case you didn't get it.

That is definitely false.

America was founded in 1775.
When did Europeans interfere?

 

[Estro Felino]

For your interest...

Best way to claim elitism? Call your enemy a monkey...

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There has never been a Communist PM in Italy.
Craxi was a socialist...for the record.
And btw I am a socialist, not a commie.

 

[GoodAttention]

There has never been a Communist PM in Italy.
Craxi was a socialist...for the record.
And btw I am a socialist, not a commie.

At this point there isn't much difference between a "European" socialist and a "National" socialist.

 

[Estro Felino]

At this point there isn't much difference between a "European" socialist and a "National" socialist.

Reductio ad Hitlerum.

 

[GoodAttention]

Reductio ad Hitlerum.

Se mo dall'artipiano guardi er mare
Moretta che sei schiava tra le schiave

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, to answer your last point, I'm not entirely convinced that Europeans have never tried to interfere in America's affairs.

If you give me an example..

I can understand.
An example after 1775, the birth of the country.

And America largely stayed out of European affairs up until the time of the ww.

After the last world war.

Ideally, I believe that it would be better for humanity if the world were unified under a single government. I know a lot of people don't like that idea, and even those who do like it can't really come up with any feasible plan for how it would actually work.

It already exists.
A single world government under the banking élites.

 

[Estro Felino]

USA has a left wing....prolly just not leftish enuf for you.
But Biden & Harris have proposed national rent control,
& food price regulation. This is a seriously dangerous
move in the direction of socialism.

Interesting.
What would you call a dictator that expropriates lands from landowners, and imposes price limits on basically everything, including renting, loans...etc...?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not if we as EU, democratically decide to have a political alliance with Russia. That is our own fabulous business. Not America's.

Europe as a whole won't be voting to align itself with a dictator.

America was founded in 1775.
When did Europeans interfere?

The most obvious should be Russia. But even Germany and Enlgand habe meddled and France dragged us into Vietnam.

 

[Estro Felino]

Europe as a whole won't be voting to align itself with a dictator.

Our geopolitical interests imply peace and economic accords in the three seas. Mediterranean, Baltic, Black Sea.

The most obvious should be Russia.

When?

But even Germany and Enlgand habe meddled

When?

and France dragged us into Vietnam.

The Vietnam War was a war fought by the USA, not by France.
MacNamara said something interesting about the fake Tonkin incident.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Vietnam War was a war fought by the USA, not by France.

Then was the Vietnamese guy who taught me more about it than history book lying?
It's called the French Indochina wars in the West, amd the Vietnam War wasn't even the first one.

 

[Estro Felino]

Then was the Vietnamese guy who taught me more about it than history book lying?

There is also Wikipedia.
Feance had already lost Vietnam in the fifties.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When?

And more History From an American for you, Russia did a lot here during the Vold War and are also active today. Germany tried to influence the elections to keep America out of WWII, and England has meddled and interfered numerous times since the Declaration was signed (after all, we didn't really assert our independence from the English and drive them from the lands until the War of 1812.
Which brings me next to Spain, who has tampered in both Mexican and English states. Texas is a major state for the history about all that.

 

[Heyo]

I sometimes wish that they really did have some kind of conspiracy or "plan" behind it, if only just to believe that there may be some method to their madness. As you say, the world has changed, but can America keep up with and adapt to these changes? Sometimes I wonder. In many ways, our policymakers still seem to be stuck in the Cold War.

Monroe Doctrine - Wikipedia

 

[Heyo]

To do a thing without applying the modern English
term for it doesn't mean that they didn't do the thing.

There has been something resembling modern capitalism before, but not exactly the same, and not as much wide spread. And if you want to put a date on when capitalism was invented, Smith is a good candidate. Another would be the opening of the London Exchange in 1802.

 

[Stevicus]

If you give me an example..

Well, let's just say there were some people in some European countries which needed America's help against an enemy they couldn't defeat by themselves. It would have been in their vital national interests to try to convince Americans to support getting into the war on their side. I don't think Americans really wanted to interfere in Europe, but it was the Europeans who goaded us into it.

The reality was that the British and French obviously wanted to maintain their own empires and saw Germany as an upstart and a threat against that. And it may not have been an unfounded fear, since they obviously had trouble in defeating Germany. Think of it: The mighty and powerful great empires of France and Britain, with all their lands and resources and manpower combined - could not do better than a stalemate against a much smaller and resource-poor nation like Germany. Go figure. And that's even with Germany also winning handily in Russia.

For the most part, once America and Britain settled their early differences, our interests started to become more aligned with each other. They had the world's most powerful navy, and as long as the sea lanes were kept open and safe, we could freely trade with Europe or any other part of the world. In terms of foreign policy aspirations, freedom of the seas is all America ever really wanted.

During the 19th century, it appeared Britain had enough strength and diplomatic savvy to be able to influence European affairs in such a way as to be able to maintain a balance of power. This involved trying to contain countries like Russia and Germany which also had imperialistic and expansionist aspirations. They probably could have kept on doing it, except for one small problem: Germany just became too dang powerful and too much for them to handle on their own.

I can understand.
An example after 1775, the birth of the country.

Well, let me ask you this, since you've brought up names like Kissinger and Soros in the past. Were those men born in America or Europe? (We already know the answer.)

After the last world war.

It already exists.
A single world government under the banking élites.

Not likely in a world with 195 sovereign countries: How many countries are there in the world? (2024) - Total & List | Worldometer.

Of course, having all these different countries also creates a number of places to hide.

With a truly single world government, there would be no place to hide. All territory in the world would be under a single government. No one would be able to hide their money in offshore accounts, since it would be part of the same country. Having all these different countries provides effective cover for malfeasance which would be removed if a single world government were established. That's how we know that a single world government actually doesn't exist. What seems more evident is that rival factions are competing with each other for control, and the competition hasn't been very friendly lately.

 

[Stevicus]

Monroe Doctrine - Wikipedia

Well, there's some history behind that, too. But at least that was a plan, unlike the devil-may-care way they're running things lately.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There is also Wikipedia.
Feance had already lost Vietnam in the fifties.

France got America to prop its colonialism in the area, which lead to the First and Second Indochina Wars. France started a mess that escalated many times over, at one point with America getting militarily involved.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, there's some history behind that, too. But at least that was a plan, unlike the devil-may-care way they're running things lately.

Well...the Spanish-American war marked an era.
No more Europeans crossing the Atlantic to interfere...

 

[Estro Felino]

France got America to prop its colonialism in the area, which lead to the First and Second Indochina Wars. France started a mess that escalated many times over, at one point with America getting militarily involved.

It is not that honorable to help the French maintain their horrific colonial empire...
It makes you guys appear as proxies of colonialists.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It is not that honorable to help the French maintain their horrific colonial empire...
It makes you guys appear as proxies of colonialists.

Ya think?