Catholic church and condoms

[rheff78]

Alright. I'm sure everyone here that doesn't believe in God is a big believer in science. I like science too. So, here goes. Every medical school in the nation teaches that life starts at conception. It's only the politicians who have deemed it otherwise. Who are we, then to argue with science?

 

[Sunstone]

Alright. I'm sure everyone here that doesn't believe in God is a big believer in science. I like science too. So, here goes. Every medical school in the nation teaches that life starts at conception. It's only the politicians who have deemed it otherwise. Who are we, then to argue with science?

Are you seriously claiming that a fertilized egg has a right to life?

 

[Smoke]

Every medical school in the nation teaches that life starts at conception.

Are you sure about that?

A letter to the editor of the New York Times, 25 January 2007:

To the Editor:

Yuval Levin’s claim that “human life begins when an embryo is created” is a religious conviction, not, as he claims, a “simple and uncontroversial biological fact.”

There is no consensus among biologists that a fertilized cell is alive in a sense that an unfertilized egg or unused sperm is not.

Nor is there a consensus about whether a group of cells without even a rudimentary nervous system is in any sense human.

There are no compelling experimental data to decide the nebulous issue of when “human” life begins. Mr. Levin uses scientific terminology, but his assertions are scientifically meaningless.

John P. Blass, M.D.
White Plains, Jan. 19, 2007
The writer is emeritus professor of neurology, neuroscience and medicine, Weill Cornell Medical College.
​

 

[rheff78]

Are you seriously claiming that a fertilized egg has a right to life?

Hey, I'm just stating what medical schools say. yes I'm sure. My best friend is an OB/GYN and that's what was reported to me.

 

[Autodidact]

Alright. I'm sure everyone here that doesn't believe in God is a big believer in science. I like science too. So, here goes. Every medical school in the nation teaches that life starts at conception. It's only the politicians who have deemed it otherwise. Who are we, then to argue with science?

Because they don't. Next question?

 

[rheff78]

Umm, basically they do. What's your background?

 

[Autodidact]

Umm, basically they do. What's your background?

Please support your assertion. I would say this is outside of the scope of science; it's a philosophical question. I would say that most medical schools teach doctors how to perform abortions, but not the best way to murder babies, so I question your assertion.

I'm an attorney; why do you ask?

 

[kdrier]

Church is out of control. If they believe so much that god judges everyone, why do they spend so much time judging people also? It's not their right nor responsibility to judge people, they spend too much time preaching their propoganda BS onto everyone. People are going to be scrumpin no matter how much condoms cost, and there is nothing they can do about it. They need to put their time and resources into things that actually matter. Okay... teach people that care what they feel is right, what they feel will get their people into their heaven, but keep your nose out of other peoples business, before I break it.

 

[rheff78]

Just wondering. My assertion is supported by the fact that my friend (being an OB/GYN) has told me that all the medical schools in the country teach that life begins at conception. Murdering is not the correct title. They take people off of life support all the time. They don't consider that murder. That's my support for my assertion. 2nd party information for sure, but still reliable.

 

[rheff78]

Church is out of control. If they believe so much that god judges everyone, why do they spend so much time judging people also? It's not their right nor responsibility to judge people, they spend too much time preaching their propoganda BS onto everyone. People are going to be scrumpin no matter how much condoms cost, and there is nothing they can do about it. They need to put their time and resources into things that actually matter. Okay... teach people that care what they feel is right, what they feel will get their people into their heaven, but keep your nose out of other peoples business, before I break it.

Spoken like a true scholar huh? Breaking the church's nose? Come on.

 

[kdrier]

lol nah, not the churches, whoever wants their nose where it does not belong.

And no, I probably wouldn't actually break their nose, I was being a bit sarcastic to express my feelings towards such people.

 

[Autodidact]

Church is out of control. If they believe so much that god judges everyone, why do they spend so much time judging people also? It's not their right nor responsibility to judge people, they spend too much time preaching their propoganda BS onto everyone. People are going to be scrumpin no matter how much condoms cost, and there is nothing they can do about it. They need to put their time and resources into things that actually matter. Okay... teach people that care what they feel is right, what they feel will get their people into their heaven, but keep your nose out of other peoples business, before I break it.

I have just one thing to say. "Scrumpin'? "SCRUMPIN?!?"

 

[Autodidact]

Just wondering. My assertion is supported by the fact that my friend (being an OB/GYN) has told me that all the medical schools in the country teach that life begins at conception. Murdering is not the correct title. They take people off of life support all the time. They don't consider that murder. That's my support for my assertion. 2nd party information for sure, but still reliable.

sorry, not acceptable. Some guy on the internet says his friend says that's what they teach at every medical school? That's weak.

 

[kdrier]

haha, sorry sir, "sexual intercourse"

People spend more time picking apart irrelevant things pertaining to my replies rather than actually responding to the actual message behind it.

 

[rheff78]

sorry, not acceptable. Some guy on the internet says his friend says that's what they teach at every medical school? That's weak.

Funny, if I said my friend says that medical schools DO NOT teach that life starts at conception, I'm sure that would be easier to believe. And don't bother telling me you would need more proof. Ask other doctors. Ask any OG?GYN what they were taught in medical school.

 

[Autodidact]

Funny, if I said my friend says that medical schools DO NOT teach that life starts at conception, I'm sure that would be easier to believe. And don't bother telling me you would need more proof. Ask other doctors. Ask any OG?GYN what they were taught in medical school.

As I said, it's a philosophical, not a scientific question. There is no doubt that life begins at that point. The relevant question is: at what point do we call it a person?

 

[rheff78]

As I said, it's a philosophical, not a scientific question. There is no doubt that life begins at that point. The relevant question is: at what point do we call it a person?

that's not philosophical. Life is life. You can't say that something is alive and then define the parameters of what that life entails. Once something is alive, there is no going back.

 

[Autodidact]

that's not philosophical. Life is life. You can't say that something is alive and then define the parameters of what that life entails. Once something is alive, there is no going back.

The question is not whether it's alive, but whether it's a person. Unless you're a Jain, that is.

 

[rheff78]

The question is not whether it's alive, but whether it's a person. Unless you're a Jain, that is.

That's still not even a question. Once something is alive, it's alive. You can't put barriers on what is a person and what is not. If a person is alive, they are alive. Maybe you could tell me what you consider a person. By your own admonition, life begins at conception, but that LIFE is still not a person?

 

[rheff78]

The question is not whether it's alive, but whether it's a person. Unless you're a Jain, that is.

What makes anew born baby any more of a "person" than a fetus?