oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
It's 2 am here, and a demon is keeping me up; my 3 year old son.
Blimey! A three year old son? I thought that you were, like, 95 or something!
Congrats, and enjoy....... turn around and he'll be grown....
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"Catholic League: Sexual Abuse Victims Attract Demons"
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Blimey! A three year old son? I thought that you were, like, 95 or something!
Congrats, and enjoy....... turn around and he'll be grown....
Cooky
Veteran Member
Blimey! A three year old son? I thought that you were, like, 95 or something!
Congrats, and enjoy....... turn around and he'll be grown....
They do grow so fast. My oldest is 23 and my youngest 6. It's scary how time flies.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Not sure if you meant to say what you did or not. but it appears you're saying that the 4,000 priests who have been accused of sex crimes amounts to 1% of the 40,000 total in the world. 1% would be 400 priests. What you've presented is 10%. Is that it, 10% of the priests in the world have been accused of sex crimes?Mornin' Dad!
Blimey, you're up early, which is maybe why you're so niggly about the whole of the Catholic Church throughout the whole world.
You may benefit from being reminded that although 4000 priests have been accused of sex crimes there are over 40,000 in the world and if 1% can destroy the characters of all then the leaders of your country in politics, commerce, industry, healthcare, travel et al don't stand a chance. Your prison and reform systems could (no doubt) produce a much higher % of wicked villains, I'm guessing?
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Cooky
Veteran Member
Have 10% been accused of sex crimes, or is that how many have been accused of sex crimes, plus cover-ups, plus neglegence?
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Altfish
Veteran Member
Oh hell, yes. The UK has nothing to be proud of as far as church abuse goes.As long as I got payed enough I wouldn't mind getting wheeled out to defend indefensibles... I've got those same qualifications, and (hell!) we sure are messing up in the UK.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Point of order, Bill Donohue and his league are not the Catholic Church, nor do they speak for the Catholic Church.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Not by the Church.
Altfish
Veteran Member
But they don't exactly vigorously disown him and put up their own spokesperson.
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Gotta say, I thought Catholics did away with personal demons and exorcisms a hundred years ago.From a Catholic perspective, this is daunting. It suggests that those who do such evil acts as sexual abuse create the fodder that attracts the devil to victimize the victim again. If this is true, the offenders are responsible for much more than molestation, and will have to answer for it.From a human perspective, it’s troubling because it means there are Catholics who seriously think victims of abuse will suffer once again at the hands of supernatural forces after they’ve already been traumatized by real ones.
Abuse victims need counseling and actual help, not a priest whose sole job it is to eradicate evil that doesn’t even exist. It’s a solution to a problem of their own creation."
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I find it amusing that the person who wrote that doesn't believe in possession. This is gonna be one of those weird moments where I agree with a Catholic but I'' expand; all mental issues makes one more vulnerable to malevolent influence. This isn't necessarily demonic but can be human too (not all possessions are even demonic).
Possession is real. Spirits are real. If someone is possessed by something actually nasty... well you don't need a Christian priest to deal with that if you know what you are doing and I think priests of that sort can do more harm than good... and often if you can deal with the mental health issue you can end up forcing the spirits out enough that you can mentally evict them if you attempt to.
That's my view anyway.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
You're using the "Muslims don't condemn terrorists vigorously enough therefore they actually support them" argument?
Oh, you're a tricky one today, OB!
Bad apples exist in every profession, even physicists, poets, & dentists.
(That last one might be the British reason for eschewing dental care.)
But that is classic whataboutism to deflect from not only clerical sexual assault
of children, but also utterly useless rituals like exorcism, which occasionally
are even fatal to the "patient".
There are real demons. They even have names, like Father O'Grady.
Let the police & courts exorcise them.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Not quite...if as in the case in question another paedophile issue; shouldn't the Catholic Churches' point of view be known? I believe it should, but all we hear is the moronic Donohue making excuses.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Then much like the people who use the afore mentioned argument to demonise Muslims, I respectfully submit you aren't listening. The Church has been very clear in it's condemnation of paedophilia.
He just seems so old because of his advanced curmudgeonitude.
(He even yells at me to get off his lawn.)
Altfish
Veteran Member
What, by protecting priests, moving priests, punishing them with prayer?
Why then do they allow Donohue to speak *apparently) on their behalf? Why can't they condemn him and say "Hey, Fox News, Donohue doesn't speak for us. If you want a statement please contact our PR department"
Good point, only the bishops, priests and catechists may speak officially for the Church.
Demons in the news....
New suits use nuisance, RICO to battle Catholic clergy abuse
The ongoing scandal over sexual abuse by Catholic clergy has led to two new high-profile lawsuits, both aimed at forcing American bishops to divulge secret lists of offenders dating back more than six decades.
But one of the legal attacks goes even further by pinning the blame on Vatican officials for misconduct in the United States, relying in part on a legal doctrine more commonly used to take down drug dealers and Mafia members. The other relies on nuisance laws, alleging that the church has created a public hazard.
The lawsuits, both of which include victims from California and were filed in federal court this month, represent a far more sweeping approach than suing individual priests or a diocese as a way to expose clergy abuse and its alleged cover-up.
This is not “Father so-and-so” abusing one child, said Mitchell A. Toups, of Texas, one of the lawyers in the suit that names the church government in the Vatican, known as the Holy See. “This is a much broader attack.”
Judy Keane, a spokeswoman for the conference of bishops, said the group does not comment on pending litigation.
The federal lawsuits come in the wake of a scathing Pennyslvania grand jury probe earlier this year, which found the church hierarchy there had protected more than 300 priests who had sexually abused at least 1,000 children over seven decades.
New suits use nuisance, RICO to battle Catholic clergy abuse
The ongoing scandal over sexual abuse by Catholic clergy has led to two new high-profile lawsuits, both aimed at forcing American bishops to divulge secret lists of offenders dating back more than six decades.
But one of the legal attacks goes even further by pinning the blame on Vatican officials for misconduct in the United States, relying in part on a legal doctrine more commonly used to take down drug dealers and Mafia members. The other relies on nuisance laws, alleging that the church has created a public hazard.
The lawsuits, both of which include victims from California and were filed in federal court this month, represent a far more sweeping approach than suing individual priests or a diocese as a way to expose clergy abuse and its alleged cover-up.
This is not “Father so-and-so” abusing one child, said Mitchell A. Toups, of Texas, one of the lawyers in the suit that names the church government in the Vatican, known as the Holy See. “This is a much broader attack.”
Judy Keane, a spokeswoman for the conference of bishops, said the group does not comment on pending litigation.
The federal lawsuits come in the wake of a scathing Pennyslvania grand jury probe earlier this year, which found the church hierarchy there had protected more than 300 priests who had sexually abused at least 1,000 children over seven decades.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Come on Skwim, you must sutrely know that there are 400,000 Catholic priests in the World, and could easily have sussed my typo.
It's 1%, Skwim, just and only 1%.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Why thankyou, Revolting. That sounds better than 'easy touch' anyway!
Oh we have had some naughty dentists, Recvolting, and I'm not talking about the ones that have phantom patients who needed lots and lots of work done for masses of NHS payments. Them dentists what anesthetize ;patients to grope 'em and worse....... lots of cases over the years.
Wrong thread, mate. I was answering somebody who brought that up, so please look back and then do the anti-whataboutism thingy with them.
A common everyday description of severe mental trauma is 'Demons' and where 'auto-suggestion' is powerful enough then positive benefits can no doubt be gained. And so where a believer receives exorcism from a trusted priest I have no doubt that it could very well be very very effective.
But it probably wouldn't work on you or me..... although my cracking up into deep belly laughs at the business could well be defined as 'valuable therapy' even for a pagan like me.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I know....... judging by his grumbling and niggling you'd think he was heading for his second century.
I think that @Father Heathen could well do with some exorcising.... ??