"Catholic League: Sexual Abuse Victims Attract Demons"

[oldbadger]

Those crazy yanks... liking delicious things. How preposterous!

We watch an American telly program over here, called 'Diners, Drive-ins and Dives' and the presenter travels to such places where the venues' special dishes are cooked, eaten and discussed. I don't think that we have many diners like those because our cooking seems to be more regimented. And the size of helpings tends to be HUGE!

 

[ecco]

Catholic and most other religious institutions operate as non-profit.

What's your point? Do you understand the ramifications of being a not for profit (NFP) organization?

It means the organization pays no taxes. Every NFP church, every NFP hospital, deprives the community of needed income.

It does not mean that the people running it are unpaid volunteers. It does not mean that the people employed there are unpaid volunteers. There is little difference in the incomes of doctors and administrators at regular and NFP hospitals. People who own and run mega churches make, and spend on themselves, millions of dollars annually.

In a truly secular Country, there should not be NFPs for any reason.

 

[ecco]

We watch an American telly program over here, called 'Diners, Drive-ins and Dives' and the presenter travels to such places where the venues' special dishes are cooked, eaten and discussed. I don't think that we have many diners like those because our cooking seems to be more regimented. And the size of helpings tends to be HUGE!

Maybe we have huge portions here because our food is good.

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Whereas yours is ...

Black pudding
Actually a blood sausage that was born out of the tradition of butchers combining every last scrap of different butchered animals to make food. ...it is a breakfast staple in the UK and Ireland, where it is served with toast. Just the thing if you’re having a family of vampires over for brunch.​

With one notable exception...

 

[metis]

Vow of Poverty? Are you joking? Have you ever seen a Catholic Bishops home?

News flash! They don't own it, so there is no cash value that they cannot therefore accumulate any money on it. Lutherans also do much the same, btw.

Secondly, so much of the leg work is done by volunteers, and I can tell you through personal experience that there's a great many of them.

Thirdly, you didn't answer my question: Have you taken a vow of poverty? Assuming that you haven't, is it's OK for you to earn money to do work but not anyone who works for a church, synagogue, mosque, or temple is not supposed to? Maybe answer that simple question, NW, before ranting on something else about the CC or any other religious institution.

My point is that, whether you like it or not, even religious institutions, including the Catholic Church, do rely on money to perform so many functions that government would have to do if these institutions didn't help those in need. Since they are funded through donations, what business is it of yours to judge how they should spend their money, and just how shortsighted is it for you to not appreciate the work they do to help others?

 

[metis]

What's your point? Do you understand the ramifications of being a not for profit (NFP) organization?

Since I taught political science for about 25 years, yes.

It means the organization pays no taxes. Every NFP church, every NFP hospital, deprives the community of needed income.

And do they not contribute to said community?

It does not mean that the people running it are unpaid volunteers. It does not mean that the people employed there are unpaid volunteers.

I never said nor implied otherwise.

People who own and run mega churches make, and spend on themselves, millions of dollars annually.

I do not justify what they do.

In a truly secular Country, there should not be NFPs for any reason.

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Revoltingest]

News flash! They don't own it, so there is no cash value that they cannot therefore accumulate any money on it.

They don't individually own it, but they control it in a fashion which achieves ownership.

 

[Father Heathen]

With one notable exception...

...that they ruin with vinegar.

 

[Kapalika]

How is it that atheists never get possessed by demons?

Why are only people who believe in supernatural BS subjected to possession?

Does Satan know we are too smart and too rational to be fooled by him?

What are you talking about? Of course atheists can get possessed, and it's not just by demons but by anything really. Even their own thought forms (which is the most common possession of anyone).

Maybe you should be more respectful and not say "BS" to other people's beliefs, not that I would term any of the phenomena I believe in supernatural anyways.

Also Satan doesn't want to fool you or anyone. Satan doesn't "do" things per se, at least not in an active sense. Satan is an unthinking cosmic force not some dude with a pitchfork. It's something inside of all of us that we tap into and that animates all of reality, It's not a god in the western sense of the word, at least not the Satan I believe in.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Abuse victims attract demons? The only demons that might have been near them are the demon priests that caused the abuse.

 

[Skwim]

...that they ruin with vinegar.

Not if it's malt vinegar.

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[Father Heathen]

Not if it's malt vinegar.

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Stuff smells like dirty socks to me.

 

[Cooky]

Abuse victims attract demons? The only demons that might have been near them are the demon priests that caused the abuse.

Actually, priests can't be demons because they're humans. But demons can, and do, influence priests.

 

[Cooky]

Stuff smells like dirty socks to me.

As if the smell of fish is anything good to begin with... It all stinks.

 

[Father Heathen]

As if the smell of fish is anything good to begin with... It all stinks.

Eh, depends on the fish and how it's prepared.

 

[Cooky]

Eh, depends on the fish and how it's prepared.

True. I just ate salmon nigiri for dinner and it had no smell.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Actually, priests can't be demons because they're humans. But demons can, and do, influence priests.

If even a fraction of the things priests are accused of are true then they are more like demons than humans.

 

[Cooky]

If even a fraction of the things priests are accused of are true then they are more like demons than humans.

Okay. I'll settle for "like" demons. But only when they're committing sin.

 

[oldbadger]

Maybe we have huge portions here because our food is good.

It could be said that so big is greed, not good.

Whereas yours is ...

Black pudding
Actually a blood sausage that was born out of the tradition of butchers combining every last scrap of different butchered animals to make food. ...it is a breakfast staple in the UK and Ireland, where it is served with toast. Just the thing if you’re having a family of vampires over for brunch..​

Never seen Black Pudding served on toast in my life, nor heard of that, but it is often offered with a Full English Breakfast, for sure​

With one notable exception...........

Ah, yes, Fish'n'Chips. We nearly all do love that here.

 

[metis]

If even a fraction of the things priests are accused of are true then they are more like demons than humans.

Would you say the same thing about families?

According to studies, about 1/5 of all girls are abused by a relative or an acquaitance in their home, and about 1/12 of boys are. The estimate of how many of the priests are pedophiles is about 2% from what I've seen.

My point is not that what the priests and bishops that didn't report or committed these sex crimes themselves is somehow excusable, as it certainly is not, but that we do need to put things into perspective. Also that rate has significantly dropped over the years with 1367 known cases 1970-74 to 22 known cases 2015-17, although it's possible that latter figure may go up somewhat as investigations continue.

At our church, at least about every other week or so, including in our church paper, there are requests for people to come forward to the civil authorities if they were abused or know of anyone that was abused, and bishops and priests are required both by law and the Church that they must report such cases if they're aware or suspicious of anyone being abused.

It's absolutely terrible that this has been happening, and the Church deserves much of the blame for trying to sweep these under the rug, but there have been some significant changes that seem to be working.

 

[ecco]

My point is that, whether you like it or not, even religious institutions, including the Catholic Church, do rely on money to perform so many functions that government would have to do if these institutions didn't help those in need.

If all religious and other "tax exempt" organizations paid taxes the Government would have more money.