I knew one young Catholic guy, who was also a Freemason. He was a very nice guy with a great sense of humor. He was also treated like crap over it by members of the parish we were at. Better to be a Freemason than a Catholic, imo.
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Catholic Vatican banning all Catholics from becoming Freemasons is now confirmed.
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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But Freemasons have done anything, throughout history to antagonize Christianity.
Also by openly siding with the enemies of Jesus Christ.
Why?
Example: Carducci, a Freemason wrote this hymn.
Hymn To Satan by Giosue Carducci
Comments & analysis: To you, creation’s / mighty principle,
I don't know diddly squat about Christianity or its history, but the majority of Freemasons today identify as Christians in my country. But! That doesn't mean they must. We have a Bible, Qur'an, Gita, Tao de Ching, and Dhammapada available in our lodge.But Freemasons have done anything, throughout history to antagonize Christianity.
Also by openly siding with the enemies of Jesus Christ.
Why?
Example: Carducci, a Freemason wrote this hymn.
Hymn To Satan by Giosue Carducci
Comments & analysis: To you, creation’s / mighty principle,allpoetry.com
They're also free to worship Satan on their own time. No specific deity is worshipped in the lodge setting; its left neutral so people of various faiths(or even those of non specific beliefs) can come together. Worship Satan, Yahweh, Aphrodite, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, its besides the point.
You understand that Satan is a Christian entity, yes?But Freemasons have done anything, throughout history to antagonize Christianity.
Also by openly siding with the enemies of Jesus Christ.
Why?
Example: Carducci, a Freemason wrote this hymn.
Hymn To Satan by Giosue Carducci
Comments & analysis: To you, creation’s / mighty principle,
Lmao, pray tell?
Little Dragon
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A Christian God.
If the primary or principle definition of a God is a supernatural controlling entity, then Satan is a God.
Supernatural
Controlling
Entity
Surely?
Little Dragon
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Yes, that is their essential purpose, to further socioeconomic and political agendas, through a secret network of like minded professionals. Locally and nationally.
...victimizing the weakest parts of society. Law of the fittest.
Little Dragon
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I don't see them as a force for harm. I see the masons differently because my Great Grandfather was a Scottish Mason and he was involved in various things including making placements to study scientific degrees accessible to the children of the poor at Scottish universities. I still have his mason certificate on my bookshelf. It uses two dating systems, interestingly. The normal Gregorian date, and something called the Year of Light followed by a four digit number.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Sometimes for people, the specter of excommunication alone is enough for compliance via the church overlords to maintain dictatorial qualities over its members assuming it's a penalty for defying the ban.The Church is not a dictatorial entity.
I mean...there are countless Freemasons in Italy who go to church regularly.
The Church would never stop them from keeping doing it.
The Church has a stance. The values of Freemasonry are incompatible with Christ's teachings.
The Catholics will decide accordingly. There is free will. Freedom of conscience.
Little Dragon
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"The Nazis believed that the Freemasons were part of a conspiracy working against the interests of German nationalism. Criticism of Freemasons was a regular theme in Nazi propaganda – often framed in antisemitic discourse about the threat from ‘World Jewry’.
Thousands of Freemasons were persecuted by the Nazi regime and many were imprisoned in concentration camps, classed as political prisoners."
Holocaust Memorial Day Trust | Freemasons
The Nazis rejected Freemasonry, banning it in January 1934, partly because it was associated with Jews. Thousands of Freemasons were persecuted by the Nazi regime and many were imprisoned in concentration camps, classed as political prisoners.
www.hmd.org.uk
Any enemy of the Nazis, would have been my friend.
I think that the RCC is ten thousand times better than those religions that call for the execution of apostates.
At least the RCC doesn't force anyone to join.
It just demands self-criticism from its followers.
It's not about appearance. You don't go to Mass just to gain respect and to show the newest dress.
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Yeah, now it doesn't generally do those things. It certainly used to, though. There's a radical fringe of ultra traditionalists who would love to bring that stuff back.I think that the RCC is ten thousand times better than those religions that calls for the execution of apostates.
At least the RCC doesn't force anyone to join.
It just demands self-criticism from its followers.
It's not about apperances.
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Little Dragon
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Not anymore, and, for now.
A long time ago, to not be RC, meant you were either a Jew, a Heretic a Pagan or Excommunicated. None of which was advantageous.
...and it's getting close to dinner time and I'm starting to get hungry.Yes. And...?
It seems apparent to me that the real reason the Vatican doesn't like Freemasonry is because it was so linked to democratic and leftist revolutionaries, and anticlerical types in Europe from the Age of the Enlightenment. Even in America, many of the Founders were Freemasons and Masonic symbolism is all over Washington and our currency. The Vatican has a very long history of opposing popular uprisings and democracy. You see this in the 20th century to now where the Church supports Fascism over Communism, and generally opposes leftism and progressivism, even when the impoverished members of its flock in the Global South support such things.But Freemasons have done anything, throughout history to antagonize Christianity.
Also by openly siding with the enemies of Jesus Christ.
Why?
Example: Carducci, a Freemason wrote this hymn.
Hymn To Satan by Giosue Carducci
Comments & analysis: To you, creation’s / mighty principle,
Even your example bears this out:
"Carducci was a popular lecturer and a fierce critic of literature and society. In his youth he was an atheist, whose political views were vehemently hostile to the Catholic Church. In the course of his life his views on religion shifted towards a socially oriented theism which he exposed in his famous "Discorso sulla libertà perpetua di San Marino" ("A Speech on San Marino's Perpetual Freedom"), pronounced on September the 30th, 1894 before the authorities and people of that ancient Republic and celebrating "the Universal God of Peoples, Mazzini's and Washington's God".
His anti-clerical revolutionary vehemence was prominently showcased in one famous poem, the deliberately blasphemous and provocative "Inno a Satana" [it] ("Hymn to Satan"). "Satan" / "Lucifer" was considered by Italian leftists of the time as a metaphor of the rebellious and freethinking spirit. The poem was composed in 1863 as a dinner party toast, published in 1865, then republished in 1869 by Bologna's radical newspaper, Il Popolo, as a provocation timed to coincide with the First Vatican Council, a time when revolutionary fervor directed against the papacy was running high as republicans pressed both politically and militarily for an end to the Vatican's domination over the papal states.
While "Inno a Satana" had quite a revolutionary impact, Carducci's finest poetry came in later years."
Giosuè Carducci - Wikipedia
There are hundreds of Christian denominations out there, that accept Freemasonry.
I mean... Catholicism is not the only church. A Freemason can quit the RCC and join some other church.
The Church is not a dictatorial entity.
I mean...there are countless Freemasons in Italy who go to church regularly.
The Church would never stop them from keeping doing it.
The Church has a stance. The values of Freemasonry are incompatible with Christ's teachings.
The Catholics will decide accordingly. There is free will. Freedom of conscience.
The Church may not be a dictatorial entity anymore. At one time, they might have been considered that. Many of the things done by the Church and its leaders could also be seen as incompatible with Christ's teachings. By the same token, the Republican and Democratic parties might be considered incompatible with Christ's teachings. Hypocrisy and double-standardism seems evident here.
No the Freemasons allow anyone with a belief in God only banning Atheists. You don't need to believe theories in this day and age. All information concerning Freemasons and the Church is online. Even the so called secret ceremonies are spelled out by ex-masons. In my opinion it is just like any other Men's religious clubs. Its a bunch of Men that want to consider themselves Religious without being part of the clergy. They also want to do this without female involvement.