Catholicism & Christianity

[sojourner]

Ahem:

DAMN!

[kicks self in pants]

Sorry I missed your statement!

 

[Me Myself]

It may be akin to the person who lights candles and incense to please Krishna.

People that light candles for Krishna do so because they WANT.

At least that´s what Krishna encouraged. Furthermore, Krishna said that the god that threatens people to get devotees is not worthy of worship. The god that makes his devotees to naturally WANT to worship him , he is worthy of worship.

Just felt like straightening that misconception.

 

[Astounded]

As it is in the Bible, oddly enough. Past tense, in any language.

And like the reputation of the RCC in the eyes of Christians. Every evangelical fellowship seems to contain at least one ex-Catholic who did not know about the history of the RCC until an outsider informed them.

So tense doesn't matter too much, does it. It's truly a forlorn hope. There's more hope of communists agreeing with capitalists than Catholics agreeing with Protestants.

Unfortunately, you understand little about the Jewish todah or Kairotic time....

The sacrifice was finished but was presented by Christ the High Priest to the Father in kairotic time after the resurrection. That's the last part of making the sacrifice acceptable. The priest (Jesus) must present the sacrifice to the Father...which is why Jesus told Mary Magdalene not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended to the Father...Immediately after the resurrection, He presents the sacrifice to the Father in the eternal now.

As I stated before, Protestants play 'todah.' That has no value..nothing different than what man was doing prior to Jesus being incarnated.

 

[Villager]

The sacrifice was finished but was presented by Christ

The sacrifice was kairotically complete 'before the foundation of the world'.

The patricians (rich people) of the Roman Empire were used to keeping the working population in thrall by the use of sacrifices to several invented deities. That way, the priests they employed in ornate temples were able to keep the people in a state of perpetual uncertainty about their eternal destinies. So they had to do as the priests, and therefore the patricians, told them. They were terrified when people came along who knew that they were justified, and took no notice of priests. They called them 'atheists'. These people had the boldness to challenge the many corruptions and malpractices of the empire, and the empire relied on those evils, just to hold the show together. So the patricians attempted to wipe out Christianity. But the more they tried, the worse things got. One of their heretical friends told them, "The blood of the martyrs is seed," meaning that they were in effect farming Christianity. So they changed policy, and decided to adapt their own religions and call them Christianity.

 

[lunamoth]

@OP: Catholics are Christians and all/any Christian flavors must remain relevant to people's needs or become irrelevant and extinct.

About counting Christians, our church (Episcopal) takes counts of church attendance and notes active participants as an ongoing activity. We report this annually to our diocese, as does every other Episcopal church. So, I think we report a pretty accurate count of active communicants.

 

[Kathryn]

I speak for no-one. I write about real Protestants, as indicated- who are never going to accept Catholicism. They are the people who count in this particular thread, because the words and actions of others claiming to be Protestant are meaningless.

You don't know any real Protestants who are members of ecumenical projects that involve Catholics.

A real Protestant is one who believes in sola fide. The RCC condemns sola fide as anathema. All Protestant denominations state sola fide in their defining formulae. There are members of those denominations who, even so, show discomfort at the Protestant label. That is their problem, not the problem of real Protestants.

Honestly - you sound ridiculous.

 

[Villager]

Honestly - you sound ridiculous.

Then why bother to say so?

 

[Renji]

I don`t like to compete with this thread but there should be a distinction when one says Christians. It could refer to me or my family who are devout Catholics. Catholicism is centered on Christ & around Christ are his devotees.

I think it's not only the Catholicism that is Christ centered. All Christian denominations claim that, I guess.

If this title say Christianity must change or die I say Protestants should return to Catholicism or else they die.

How I wish that the Church will someday be united, but as a Christian (Catholic or whatever), one should not wish death of other people or denominations.

 

[Astounded]

The sacrifice was kairotically complete 'before the foundation of the world'.

The patricians (rich people) of the Roman Empire were used to keeping the working population in thrall by the use of sacrifices to several invented deities. That way, the priests they employed in ornate temples were able to keep the people in a state of perpetual uncertainty about their eternal destinies. So they had to do as the priests, and therefore the patricians, told them. They were terrified when people came along who knew that they were justified, and took no notice of priests. They called them 'atheists'. These people had the boldness to challenge the many corruptions and malpractices of the empire, and the empire relied on those evils, just to hold the show together. So the patricians attempted to wipe out Christianity. But the more they tried, the worse things got. One of their heretical friends told them, "The blood of the martyrs is seed," meaning that they were in effect farming Christianity. So they changed policy, and decided to adapt their own religions and call them Christianity.

The sacrifice was kairotically complete 'before the foundation of the world'.

And now you understand the basic premise of the Mass or Divine Liturgy.....

 

[JacobEzra.]

Honestly - you sound ridiculous.

He does since he does not know anything about Catholicism. But hey, its the internet. People always try to pretend to know what they do not know.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I think it's not only the Catholicism that is Christ centered. All Christian denominations claim that, I guess.



How I wish that the Church will someday be united, but as a Christian (Catholic or whatever), one should not wish death of other people or denominations.

They shouldn't die. But their horrible heresies should.

 

[Renji]

They shouldn't die. But their horrible heresies should.

In short, it is the issue(s) that is contrary to the church teachings that should "die", not those people.

 

[JacobEzra.]

In short, it is the issue(s) that is contrary to the church teachings that should "die", not those people.

I wouldn't wish death on anyone.

 

[Renji]

I wouldn't wish death on anyone.

So true. Even Pope Benedict XVI said that " A true Christian should not rejoice on the death of someone."- something like that.

 

[Me Myself]

" A true Christian should not rejoice on the death of someone."

I disagree 100%.

A true christian should not kill, but a true christian should indeed rejoice when someone is to meet heaven, is he not??

 

[Renji]

I disagree 100%.

A true christian should not kill, but a true christian should indeed rejoice when someone is to meet heaven, is he not??

I disagree 200%. If you look at it, one should not feel happy upon someone's death, even if it is a personal enemy or the enemy of the church. Check the context, dude.

 

[Renji]

If what you say is true, then it's okay for me to kill since the one I killed will meet "heaven" isn't it?

 

[Me Myself]

I disagree 200%. If you look at it, one should not feel happy upon someone's death, even if it is a personal enemy or the enemy of the church. Check the context, dude.

I did. I would besorrowful if I thought he would be going to hell (thanks god I don´t believe is eternal).

I might feel bad for the sorrow of the family though.

If what you say is true, then it's okay for me to kill since the one I killed will meet "heaven" isn't it?

Ask Jesus

 

[Renji]

I did. I would be sorrowful if I thought he would be going to hell (thanks god I don´t believe is eternal).

I might feel bad for the sorrow of the family though.

Still you feel bad and not rejoicing though.

Ask Jesus

I just called him. But he seems so busy with the tea party in heaven!

 

[Me Myself]

Still you feel bad and not rejoicing though.

I felt very well when my great grandmother died. So many weeks with that brain problem and she finally got peace. I wouldn´t wish what happened to her to any one, and if it happened to me I would surely appreciate God letting mecheck in early

I just called him. But he seems so busy with the tea party in heaven!

Sheesh! Ihate when that happens! >.< What he tell meis that he is in "montañita" (a place in ecuador) Of course I am actualy talking of afriend that resembles so much Jesus in appeareance and joy that it becomes a different endevour altogether

Now more seriously, I shouldn´t kill anyone because it´s like stealing, just without getting anything from it. No one´s life is mine. I cannot take it. We are in this Earth to learn, I should not by any means take that away from anyone.