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CBO Says DREAMERS Will Cost Taxpayers $26 Billion Over Next 10 Years

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Keeping 'Dreamers' would cost taxpayers $26B over next 10 years, feds say

According to the CBO (Congressional Budget Office)
Allowing 2 million illegal immigrant “Dreamers” to remain in the U.S. would cost taxpayers $25.9 billion over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office says in a report released Friday. In addition
S 1615 Dream Act of 2017

So, in other words, they aren't going to cost much. They'll probably boost the economy by multiples of that.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We made an exception because the immigrants were so profitable. They kept wages down and sales up.
Tom

That may be true to an extent. However I think that it's an easily structured statement applicable towards certain demographics.

The key questions lay in asking the question as to exactly whom does illegal immigration really benefit, and to whom exactly does illegal immigration proves itself as a serious detriment and drain in this country.

The Fiscal and Economic Impact of Immigration on the United States
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Illegal activity should never be encouraged. Compassion should be encouraged. To believe that children needs to be punished for the acts of their parents is another case of intolerance.

Although, you are technically correct about what is illegal, you should reconsider if this is the moral thing to do. Most of these dreamers have no home outside of the US.
There are a lot of reasons for immigration guidelines. I like to think this country's compassion is to taking into consideration a person's circumstances and reasons for fleeing their home country. I think everybody gets that part.

However when you get into other serious territory like disease prevention and control, legal backgrounds and such, the reasons for immigration laws become pretty apparent. These things need to be taken into consideration other than simply reacting on emotional triggers to embrace people from overseas or from other lands.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I would love to see you try to enter any free nation illegally and see what happens.

It seems the US is somehow made the exception when condoning and accepting illegal behaviors by people who infiltrate another foriegn country.

Did you even understand that post? Sometimes doing things illegal can shed light on the issues concerning our society.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Precisely.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

was long a defining statement evoking a great deal of pride. For many of us it still is.

But this doesn't apply to people of color...Thought you knew. In Murica we speak English not Mexican.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
There are a lot of reasons for immigration guidelines. I like to think this country's compassion is to taking into consideration a person's circumstances and reasons for fleeing their home country. I think everybody gets that part.

However when you get into other serious territory like disease prevention and control, legal backgrounds and such, the reasons for immigration laws become pretty apparent. These things need to be taken into consideration other than simply reacting on emotional triggers to embrace people from overseas or from other lands.

Yeah, I can agree with that but none of that was addressed in the OP. The OP seemed to only care about financing and others replied that the finance would have been the same for regular citizens.

I agree with the security and vetting of an immigrant. I was an immigrant that had to stay in an immigration camp before being allowed entry to the US. I understand.

But these dreamers are in a different position then their parents. Most dreamers know no other life and culture but the US. It's not really sending them back to their homes. It's sending them to a foreign nation but the original fault belonged to their parents.

Dreamers should still be screened but if that is your only position before allowing entry then I have no problem with that.

I believe I'm being fair and rational even if you do suggest that my position is an emotional one. We should treat these children differently than the adults that illegally immigrated here. Do what is best for the children. If we determined that they can establish a continuity back in their origin then fine, but do consider what is best for the children. Don't just assume the same logic applies to them. The adults should still be addressed as illegal immigrants.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Are those figures before or after considering how much they will contribute to the economy? Because it looks to me like it's counting only negatives, ignoring positives?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Why do the GOP sympathisers quote the CBO when it suits them but not when they discuss the Trump Tax Plans?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
So, in other words, they aren't going to cost much. They'll probably boost the economy by multiples of that.
Guess you didn't read the CBO report did you.
CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that enacting
S. 1615 would increase direct spending by $26.8 billion over the 2018-2027 period. Over that same period, CBO and JCT estimate that the bill would increase revenues, on net, by$0.9 billion—a decline in on-budget revenues of $4.3 billion and an increase in off-budget revenues of $5.3 billion. CBO also estimates that providing higher education assistance for newly eligible people
under S. 1615 would cost $1.0 billion over the 2018-2022 period; such spending wouldbe subject to the availability of appropriated funds.CBO and JCT estimate that enacting S. 1615 would increase net direct spending by morethan $2.5 billion and on-budget deficits by more than $5 billion in at least one of the fourconsecutive 10-year periods beginning in 2028.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
the kids shouldn't be held in contempt for what their parents chose to do. Sounds like you agree in punishing kids.
I do no agree with punishing kids, and I do not agree with giving them special consideration such as Citizenship unless they get in the back of the line. I do support the idea of allowing them special consideration if they perform a direct service to the country, say like going into the military.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
But this doesn't apply to people of color...Thought you knew. In Murica we speak English not Mexican.
If you do not speak the language of your adopted country you do not assimilate into society. The US is the only country I know of that takes special care to insure that a non-English speaking person can be assisted. Try that in any other county.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
No, what did they do.....Oh that's right they reported on a report by the CBO ( which was supplied). You have a problem with that or is it you are blinded by your leftwing media sources.
I knew you wouldn't catch it. That's why you shouldn't trust Fox.

Fox is spinning this into "see how much of your money these illegal brown people are going to take from you?"

All the while not mentioning that the "cost" is the same as any other US citizen. A more accurate headline would read as follows.

"Cost of allowing dreamers to become citizens is identical to current US citizens"

Fox and GOP media is very good at saying things without actually saying it. That's propaganda and your emotional response is what they're targeting.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Are those figures before or after considering how much they will contribute to the economy? Because it looks to me like it's counting only negatives, ignoring positives?

Don't be silly - Fox news would never be selective with facts!

See Post #34 people and try reading the entire article and follow the links before you jump to conclusions. Of course that is typical of certain political groups, not reading that is.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The government is getting ready to find 26 gazillion dollars for the "Creators of Jobs in Mexico, India, and China" tax relief.
I would vote for carving a tiny chunk out of that pile of loot to fund the people who really want to be here and contribute to USA society.
Tom
 
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