TagliatelliMonster
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Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.
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GardenLady
Active Member
How dare you question the idolatry of the Authorized Version?
@TagliatelliMonster, was about to post the exact same thing, but you beat me to it!
GardenLady
Active Member
And yet, so few really understand the archaic language, so they need preachers to indoctrinate, uh, I mean, explain the meaning.
A college friend became a Oneness Pentecostal during winter break one year. Her congregation were taught that Jesus' words "The wind bloweth where it listeth" means if you don't speak in tongues (baptism of the Spirit) you aren't really saved. Boggles the mind.
Audie
Veteran Member
Choosing a church that preaches what
one wants to hear.
Audie
Veteran Member
It's not mockery to mention such
things. Not as the Xians claim.
GardenLady
Active Member
As long as you don't lump all Christians in with the Xians (evangelicals/literalists/YECs).
Audie
Veteran Member
They take things to weird n wacky extremes,
but all of Chridtisnity is wide open to question,
very reasonable doubt.
And sometimes a bit of parody is exactly
right on in displaying the ressonable in doubt,
the unreasonable in religion.
Any answer that cannot be questioned is imo,
garbage.
GardenLady
Active Member
Audie
Veteran Member
That wouldn't be fair or friendly
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Not in the King James Bible.
The word slave only appears 2 times in the King James Bible and in neither of them does the word of God condone slavery.
So no the poster did not literally do that.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Utterly irrelevant, when it talks talks about "bondmen" and "bondmaids" that can be bought and sold and treated as possessions. That's slavery, regardless of what you call it.
McBell
Unbound
Ah.
So it is your claim that since the word slave only appears once in the Kong James Bible (Jeremiah 2:14) that slavery is not addressed by the Bible?
So what pray tell is your apologetic for Deuteronomy 15:17?
I for one say that a "forever servant" is a slave.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
But not a slave.
In that particular case, the servant chose not to be free but remain a servant for the rest of the servant’s life.
So no, the word of God does not condone slavery.
BTW, many new versions do.
What new version or versions do you use?
McBell
Unbound
Ah.
so to you, a "forever servant" is not a slave?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
A servant is not a slave.
There are many people who today work as a servant.
ask them if they are a slave.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Not like your bible says, yet again, Leviticus 25:44-46:
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
So do explain how people who are bought and sold, considered a possession, and can be inherited by your children, are not slaves.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Your semantic argument is noted.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
They are bondsmen and bondwomen.
But the word slave is not found In this passage.
McBell
Unbound
Leviticus 25:44
Both thy bondmen,H5650 and thy bondmaids,H519 whichH834 thou shalt have,H1961 shall be ofH4480 H854 the heathenH1471 thatH834 are round aboutH5439 you; ofH4480 them shall ye buyH7069 bondmenH5650 and bondmaids.H519
Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
H519
אָמָה
'âmâh
aw-maw'
Apparently a primitive word; a maidservant or female slave: - (hand-) bondmaid (-woman,) maid (-servant).
Total KJV occurrences: 56
Emphasis mine
The spoiler below lists the 56 verses the word is used in the King James Version...H519
אמה
'âmâh
Total KJV Occurrences: 56
handmaid, 22
Exo_23:12, Jdg_19:19, Rth_3:9 (2), 1Sa_1:11 (3), 1Sa_1:16, 1Sa_25:24-25 (3), 1Sa_25:28, 1Sa_25:31, 1Sa_25:41, 2Sa_20:15-17 (3), 1Ki_1:13, 1Ki_1:17, 1Ki_3:20, Psa_116:16 (2)
maidservant, 13
Exo_20:10, Exo_20:17, Exo_21:7, Exo_21:32, Deu_5:14 (2), Deu_5:21, Deu_12:18, Deu_15:17, Deu_16:11, Deu_16:14, Jdg_9:18, Job_31:13
maid, 5
Gen_30:3, Exo_2:5, Exo_21:20, Exo_21:26, Lev_25:6
bondwoman, 4
Gen_21:10 (2), Gen_21:12-13 (2)
maidservants, 4
Gen_20:17, Deu_12:12, 2Sa_6:22, Neh_7:67
maids, 3
Ezr_2:65, Job_19:15, Nah_2:7
bondmaids, 2
Lev_25:44 (2)
handmaids, 1
2Sa_6:20
maidservant’s, 1
Exo_21:27
maidservants’, 1
Gen_31:33
אמה
'âmâh
Total KJV Occurrences: 56
handmaid, 22
Exo_23:12, Jdg_19:19, Rth_3:9 (2), 1Sa_1:11 (3), 1Sa_1:16, 1Sa_25:24-25 (3), 1Sa_25:28, 1Sa_25:31, 1Sa_25:41, 2Sa_20:15-17 (3), 1Ki_1:13, 1Ki_1:17, 1Ki_3:20, Psa_116:16 (2)
maidservant, 13
Exo_20:10, Exo_20:17, Exo_21:7, Exo_21:32, Deu_5:14 (2), Deu_5:21, Deu_12:18, Deu_15:17, Deu_16:11, Deu_16:14, Jdg_9:18, Job_31:13
maid, 5
Gen_30:3, Exo_2:5, Exo_21:20, Exo_21:26, Lev_25:6
bondwoman, 4
Gen_21:10 (2), Gen_21:12-13 (2)
maidservants, 4
Gen_20:17, Deu_12:12, 2Sa_6:22, Neh_7:67
maids, 3
Ezr_2:65, Job_19:15, Nah_2:7
bondmaids, 2
Lev_25:44 (2)
handmaids, 1
2Sa_6:20
maidservant’s, 1
Exo_21:27
maidservants’, 1
Gen_31:33