Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[Dan From Smithville]

I'd sure love to hear the evolutionists answer that.

You got an honest answer from a scientist and Christian. I can't tell you what an evolutionist would say. Don't know any.

 

[YoursTrue]

You got an honest answer from a scientist and Christian. I can't tell you what an evolutionist would say. Don't know any.

Wait a minute. OK, you don't classify yourself as an evolutionist, it doesn't matter to you what the dictionary says. OK. So now here's the question to you (and I understand if you don't want to answer) -- do you believe Jesus existed as written.

 

[YoursTrue]

I did not make your mistake. Why do you think that me realizing that the opposite of what you said is an error as well helps you?

There are so many dichotomies in this. The claim that atheists practice science to make themselves the equal of a being they don't believe in doesn't make sense. And not everyone that accepts science is an atheist. Many theists accept it too and not to make themselves the equal of God. I'm not even sure how knowing a natural process would result in a sense of power over the divine. It just sounds like a silly admonishment to make the people saying it feel better about themselves.

When I read your post, I get this sense of glee from your expression of an erroneous claim that you believe to be true. Like you hope that people really do feel this way. Why would you need that? Why would you want that? Is it your position that Christians should be thrilled about people doing something we consider wrong and with negative consequences as we see it? I don't. I'm shocked that anyone would express this sort of thing as something to feel good about.

So then the questions are: was Jesus born on December 25?
Was he part of the human race that evolved from an Unknown Common Ancestor?
Was he born of a virgin?
Was he assailed and eventually put up to the death penalty because of his teachings?

 

[John53]

So then the questions are: was Jesus born on December 25?
Was he part of the human race that evolved from an Unknown Common Ancestor?
Was he born of a virgin?
Was he assailed and eventually put up to the death penalty because of his teachings?

What do those questions have to do with what Dan posted?

 

[Kenny]

Solomon was wise. You don't think you provide wisdom to others?

I don't agree with the sentiment behind the interpretation of these words to mean we cannot learn about the world around us. I don't think people are too stupid to learn. Obviously we do. It is just that some of that knowledge makes certain groups uncomfortable regarding how they have been told to believe.

I believe and am very comfortable with what I learn.

yes… when compare ourselves with other humankind, some are wiser than others… but compared to God’s wisdom… no comparison

 

[Subduction Zone]

So then the questions are: was Jesus born on December 25?
Was he part of the human race that evolved from an Unknown Common Ancestor?
Was he born of a virgin?
Was he assailed and eventually put up to the death penalty because of his teachings?

Hardly any Christians believe that. We have no idea when he was born. Was he part of the human race that evolved from a Common Ancestor? If you want to claim that he was real he probably wansn't.

Was he born of a virgin? Almost certainly not. For one thing he was not female. Second the author of Matthew based that upon a Greek translation of the Old Testament that misinterpreted a word. Both the authors of Matthew (definitely not Matthew) and the author of Luke (almost certainly not Luke) contrived to get Jesus born in Bethlehem using different ways to get him there. Odds were that he was not born in Jerusalem, he as born in Nazareth.


And yep, he was probably crucified. But that was also where his body probably remained for a while.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

yes… when compare ourselves with other humankind, some are wiser than others… but compared to God’s wisdom… no comparison

I believe the comparison is correct. But the implication of all of this seems to be that we cannot learn from evidence, reason and rational evaluation of evidence and come to reasonable conclusions about the world around us if that knowledges conflicts with how some people choose to carry out their belief. I don't agree with that.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What do those questions have to do with what Dan posted?

I has nothing to do with the topic or what I posted. I believe it is part of what I would call a vendetta to show that a scientist can't accept science and believe in God or be a "true" Christian and view significant passages of the Bible as allegory and not historical fact.

 

[McBell]

What do those questions have to do with what Dan posted?

Nothing.
It is nothing more than an attempted distraction from their ignorance of the topic at hand.

 

[John53]

I has nothing to do with the topic or what I posted. I believe it is part of what I would call a vendetta to show that a scientist can't accept science and believe in God or be a "true" Christian and view significant passages of the Bible as allegory and not historical fact.

It's becoming obvious that being a Christian isn't good enough, you have to be the right kind of Christian.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

So then the questions are: was Jesus born on December 25?
Was he part of the human race that evolved from an Unknown Common Ancestor?
Was he born of a virgin?
Was he assailed and eventually put up to the death penalty because of his teachings?

Are you planning to address my post at all?

 

[McBell]

It's becoming obvious that being a Christian isn't good enough, you have to be the right kind of Christian.

Yes.
Of course they use the labels Christian and True Christian.
Though they seem to always have double... no... multiply standards as to what they consider a True Christian.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It's becoming obvious that being a Christian isn't good enough, you have to be the right kind of Christian.

Indeed. You can believe in God, accept Christ, but if you turn away from the words and works of certain people, then you will be chastised as false it seems.

 

[YoursTrue]

Are you planning to address my post at all?

What post was that?

 

[YoursTrue]

Indeed. You can believe in God, accept Christ, but if you turn away from the words and works of certain people, then you will be chastised as false it seems.

That's what happened to Jesus when he healed the blind man on the Sabbath. Remember that?

 

[YoursTrue]

It's becoming obvious that being a Christian isn't good enough, you have to be the right kind of Christian.

You kind of have to believe that Jesus existed and did more than be nice sometimes he was not so nice if you believe what is written. I meet people all the time that are very nice. I know they're not the messiah though.

 

[John53]

You kind of have to believe that Jesus existed and did more than be nice sometimes he was not so nice if you believe what is written. I meet people all the time that are very nice. I know they're not the messiah though.

And who are you to judge who is a "true Christian"?

 

[YoursTrue]

Indeed. You can believe in God, accept Christ, but if you turn away from the words and works of certain people, then you will be chastised as false it seems.

How if a person claims to be Christian but doesn't believe Jesus performed miracles. Maybe they think he was a religious nice guy that suffered for that. Maybe some think ... He didn't resurrect people,

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Ephesians 2: 8-9.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

There is nothing in this that says that a Christian must interpret the Bible as literal and consider it a history or science book in order to receive salvation. It is my belief that demanding that the Bible be read a certain way to be a "true" Christian is done in defiance of the Bible when considering this verse, since a demand of a specific interpretation would be a demand for works leading to salvation.

I don't believe the Bible is supposed to be my master or my god. I believe it is supposed to be a guide to help Christians follow their religious beliefs and reflect on the sort of behavior that should arise naturally from faith.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

How if a person claims to be Christian but doesn't believe Jesus performed miracles. Maybe they think he was a religious nice guy that suffered for that. Maybe some think ... He didn't resurrect people,

How is it that you come up with straw man claims and questions about things I have never said and you do that so easily? Perhaps it isn't my faith and behavior you should be investing your time in, but maybe your own.