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Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Some of these were dated at non creationists labs with a good reputation among evolutionists.

Citation needed. All of the examples that you gave were from creationists.
BTW, the tissue of many of these is still soft, has blood vessels, DNA and amino acids that are not racemic 50-50.
No, it does not. It has bits of calcified collagen. It was not even "soft" at the start. To get it out one had to soak the rock in a week acid bath for an extended period of time. Those have all been explained away.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I wanted to learn why some believe in the process of evolution. That's why I came here. And right now there's where the discussion stops now on my part. Yes, have a good evening. It's evening here in my part of the world.
I do not know people that believe in the process of evolution as you or I believe in God? Have you found any?
 

Eddi

Wesleyan Pantheist
Premium Member
I wanted to learn why some believe in the process of evolution.
Then why not make a thread called something like "why do people believe in evolution"?

I would have given a constructive reply and am sure others would too
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
Because of the situation here, I desist from comment. Have a good one.
When I did that you followed me around for months making snide comments and taking what I consider to be cheap shots. Is it your belief that is how desisting is carried out? Don't expect me to do that. I might correct, but I have no further interest in discussing anything with you. You have shown that you do not answer questions with any consistency. Sometimes not ever.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Why not. You bring it up in ever discussion regardless of the subject of the discussion. Since it is your interest, I think that suits you best as the person to discuss it.
Thank you. My interest is not in myself. I realize I touched a nerve with some asking them to explain exactly how they believe in evolution if they call themselves Christian.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Then why not make a thread called something like "why do people believe in evolution"?

I would have given a constructive reply and am sure others would too
I thought of that but I doubt I will. Thanks though.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
When I did that you followed me around for months making snide comments and taking what I consider to be cheap shots. Is it your belief that is how desisting is carried out? Don't expect me to do that. I might correct, but I have no further interest in discussing anything with you. You have shown that you do not answer questions with any consistency. Sometimes not ever.
That's ok.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Why not. You bring it up in ever discussion regardless of the subject of the discussion. Since it is your interest, I think that suits you best as the person to discuss it.

It is not ok to follow anyone around doing as you did. It is behavior that sends a message, just not the message that is claimed.
I found your responses interesting and wanted to ask you questions. Sorry about that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Virtually every remark a theist says in favor of the Bible is approached by non believers and ridiculers in a derogatory way. So again...thanks for discussion and...hope things go well with you. You and a few others here have taught me a lot. Thanks again.
I would disagree with this. I would say that when some believers abuse the Bible it is ridiculed. When one claims that one's own God is a liar what else would you expect people to do?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Then why not make a thread called something like "why do people believe in evolution"?

I would have given a constructive reply and am sure others would too
At this point, after having examined the many replies about it, I think I shall refrain from asking here too much. Obviously some people get offended while some get obnoxious. I'm sure some would classify me that way as well. But I have learned a lot, not so much about the validity of the process of evolution, but rather people's reactions when confronted with objections. So ..thank you.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
At this point, after having examined the many replies about it, I think I shall refrain from asking here too much. Obviously some people get offended while some get obnoxious. I'm sure some would classify me that way as well. But I have learned a lot, not so much about the validity of the process of evolution, but rather people's reactions when confronted with objections. So ..thank you.
It looks like you are still trying to play the victim card. There is no evidence that you are a victim here.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Thank you. My interest is not in myself. I realize I touched a nerve with some asking them to explain exactly how they believe in evolution if they call themselves Christian.
When I was still a Christian I accepted evolution. By the way, if you understand it you do not have to "believe" in it in the same sense as a religious belief. You know how I always point out that various creationists are calling their God a liar? Well I did not believe that God was a liar so I had to accept evolution and other sciences. The evidence for Genesis not being literal is endless and strong. The fact that Genesis is mythical was only one small part of the reasons that I lost my beliefs.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
Ok. So then please don't get offended.
I will get offended at what is offensive. Having my questions ignored and having people turn on me demanding I explain my religious beliefs that have no impact on their ability to answer the questions is something I find offensive. Having someone follow me all over the forum making posts that essentially question my faith are posts I find offensive. There is nothing wrong with being offended by that sort of behavior and I am not alone in recognizing it.

Stop trying to allude that I am weak and easily offended. The response was mild compared to the offense..
 
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