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Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

Eddi

Wesleyan Pantheist
Premium Member
That is true of many people like evolutionists.
No, "evolutionists" (I.e. rational thinkers) dismiss ludicrous things as they are ludicrous

People like you dismiss evidenced and reasoned things as you desperately don't want them to be true

Big difference
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Just a message in passing -- remember Jesus did have followers. They were persecuted. Jesus did not "win" in the major opinions of the clergy class at the time, and Pilate had doubts about his guilt but decided to put him to death anyway, giving the crowd the approval or disapproval button. Jesus "won" beyond some people's understanding. Take care.
While you and I disagree over a few things (probably) I give you the credit for posing reasonable and interesting questions. I see the results. May you be well. Take care.
Your data source is unsupported. Can you do better?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What happens to time at the speed of light?
"There once was a young man named Fisk
Whose fencing was exceedingly brisk
So fast was is action, that Fitzgerald contraction, reduced his rapier to a disk."

Yes… there are always two sides to every coin and two differing viewpoints to what we see
Misleading. Often one side is poorly or completely unsupported. The truth is rarely found at the mid-point between the extremes
Live science also gives credence to the fact that we really don’t know. What do we know? Everywhere, there is a story of a flood or epic proportions. Do we know if there was an unregistered catastrophic event that cause it to happen? We don’t know.

The non-occurrence of a worldwide flood is pretty cut and dry. There is no evidence whatsoever for such a flood, and such an event would have left massive evidence.
What do we know? Everywhere, there is a story of a flood or epic proportions. Do we know if there was an unregistered catastrophic event that cause it to happen? We don’t know.

So, basically, to solve the problem, science relegate the massive evidences of a catastrophic flood (like the Mediterranean and Black Seas) as regional.

but what if all the floods weren’t regional?
There would be mounds of evidence, and many familiar scientific disciplines would be turned on their heads.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Where are all the calendars, buildings, cities, artifacts, writings, etc from people before 6000 years ago?
They just spring up out of no where but are quite sophisticated right away.
Well, the dwellings and artifacts are plentiful. There's also voluminous evidence from other disciplines that obviate a young Earth.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You asked a question and then gave an answer to your own question

There would be no point in people explaining it to you you would only ignore it

Your mind is closed
Yet scholars acknowledge that writing was not around until about 5,000 years ago. I have heard from believers in Darwinian type evolution that is because of the need for contracts. Nevertheless once again, gorillas and chimpanzees do not produce cities or write contracts. :)
"Mesopotamia was a region comprising many cultures over time speaking different languages. The earliest known writing was invented there around 3400 B.C. in an area called Sumer near the Persian Gulf."
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No, "evolutionists" (I.e. rational thinkers) dismiss ludicrous things as they are ludicrous

People like you dismiss evidenced and reasoned things as you desperately don't want them to be true

Big difference
There are various types of believers in whatever view they may have. I believe that only God can get a person to change thought direction in a certain sense. But a person does not have to take notice or move according to what is happening.
 

Eddi

Wesleyan Pantheist
Premium Member
Yet scholars acknowledge that writing was not around until about 5,000 years ago. I have heard from believers in Darwinian type evolution that is because of the need for contracts. Nevertheless once again, gorillas and chimpanzees do not produce cities or write contracts. :)
"Mesopotamia was a region comprising many cultures over time speaking different languages. The earliest known writing was invented there around 3400 B.C. in an area called Sumer near the Persian Gulf."
Have you ever played any of the Civilization games??????

The fact that you have no interest in history does not falsify evolution

So there was a point before which there was no writing........ so what???????

People can exist without knowing how to read and write
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
If you want to learn about human history read a book

If you have any questions about history ask someone who knows

The thing is you have zero interest in finding out

You simply don't want to know

All your questions are rhetorical

They are not "asked" in good faith
Spot-on!
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You asked a question and then gave an answer to your own question

There would be no point in people explaining it to you you would only ignore it

Your mind is closed
You could try and keep it simple. And then when asked questions, explain in your own words with your own understanding. That's one possibility.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Have you ever played any of the Civilization games??????

The fact that you have no interest in history does not falsify evolution

So there was a point before which there was no writing........ so what???????

People can exist without knowing how to read and write
So? HISTORY says that writing was begun about 3500 BCE. I didn't make it up, civilization games or not. (Have a good one.) Please do not think I'm going to continue this discussion like this. So again -- take care -- have a good evening.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
And no count of years dating beyond 6000 years ago.
That may be because writing is rather recent. There are artifacts that are older than 4,000 BCE that perform some of the work of calendars. Would that be good enough? Or are you simply going to make the silly demand that it has to be in writing?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You do realise that calendars measure time and don't create it??????
Good thing it's not counting time on Venus. :) You'd have much bigger calendars, I suppose. "Venus rotates much more slowly than Earth does, so a day on Venus is much longer than a day on Earth. A day on Venus lasts for 243 Earth days or 5,832 hours!" Bigger clocks, too. maybe, unless scientists can figure a small clock counting 5,832 hours in a day. Maybe some will have a good time joking about that maybe. :) Ask an Astronomer!
 

Eddi

Wesleyan Pantheist
Premium Member
So? HISTORY says that writing was begun about 3500 BCE. I didn't make it up, civilization games or not. (Have a good one.) Please do not think I'm going to continue this discussion like this. So again -- take care -- have a good evening.
I don't see how that date is relevant to the creation of the world

It is possible for people to exist without having calendars

There is tons of evidence of people who existed without them

And now you're throwing a strop and running away!
 
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