Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[YoursTrue]

Are you going to respond respectfully and objectively to any answers you get or just dismiss it with your declarations of victory and repetition?

Are you in any way qualified to evaluate the responses you do get?

So far I see few, if any, decent answers to his repeated queries. Lots of joking or not-so-joking insults from some though.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

The Genesis account does tell that the writer many centuries ago seemed to knew an amazing feature of the rib to regenerate itself.
Glad you recognized that. Now ask me: do I understand in detail everything written in the Bible? You guessed correctly!! No. I do not. Take care. Oh, and how do I know what you might think? I figured based upon past conversations with you. Scientific method? Hmm, I don't particularly think so. Female institution? Although I'm a female, I think almost anybody could guess it.

The Bible is quite clear that evolution and billions of years is false.

 

[YoursTrue]

Are you going to respond respectfully and objectively to any answers you get or just dismiss it with your declarations of victory and repetition?

Are you in any way qualified to evaluate the responses you do get?

Are you? If you cannot explain in depth or detail a "scientific" answer, then what?

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible is quite clear that evolution and billions of years is false.

1. That's the way it seems to me, although I certainly cannot explain everything that happened, but the Bible makes sense about the beginning.
2. I know some animals can interbreed, so there's no argument from me there, and the Bible does not counteract that.
3. Evolution theory itself cannot be proved, chemical reactions may be proved, but that does not mean that the theory of evolution is true. That is what is quite clear to me now. There is no doubt in my mind anymore that the theory of the Darwinian model of evolution is conjectural. As I have explained in previous posts a while back, I believed anything and everything I was taught in school, including the theory of evolution. Now I no longer believe it for good reason. That doesn't have to be because the Bible says something different than the theory of evolution, although I have come to the conclusion that the Bible is from and of God, a higher superior and wonderful power.

 

[YoursTrue]

Are you going to respond respectfully and objectively to any answers you get or just dismiss it with your declarations of victory and repetition?

Are you in any way qualified to evaluate the responses you do get?

I must say I have seen certain replies from those that are not respectful, and bordering on filthy jokes. OK, add that to demeaning jokes between a few.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Here is an overhead video of the Toutle. Where and how does it look like the Grand Canyon?

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Here is another photo. Do you see those flat areas next to the steep valley walls? The steep valley walls are old. They are pre-explosion. The "flood" that you are talking about eroded that little bit of ash, that is about 65 feet of ash. The creationists tried to fool you by taking a picture that included the original old valley walls:

You can see a braided stream. That is not at all like a meander.

Absolutely a carved out canyon with rocks.
The carved out part is much bigger than the meandering river part.

Same thing for the Grand Canyon.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Absolutely a carved out canyon with rocks.
The carved out part is much bigger than the meandering river part.

Same thing for the Grand Canyon.

No, the "rock" was fresh volcanic ash. That is very weak stuff. And far more important. The Grand Canyon has meanders. Those can only form in very slow moving streams. There are no meanders in the Toutle river.

You got taken in by Liars For Jesus again.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

No, the "rock" was fresh volcanic ash. That is very weak stuff. And far more important. The Grand Canyon has meanders. Those can only form in very slow moving streams. There are no meanders in the Toutle river.

You got taken in by Liars For Jesus again.

False accusation from you again.

It is like a comedy where the evolutionists say, “ask us anything about origins”. So, you start asking them questions. And each time they say, “I do not know”. After a while you give up, they then say, “is there any other origin question that you want us to answer?”

Where did the universe come from?

If the explanation is the Bing Bang with or without inflation, what was there before that?

If there was nothing before the Big Bang, then that breaks cause and effect. It also violates every law of conservation too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So far I see few, if any, decent answers to his repeated queries. Lots of joking or not-so-joking insults from some though.

Because they are not honest inquiries. Haven't you noticed that when we ask him the same sort of questions about God that he has no response?

By his rather poor standards we have disproved God. So, either his methodology is extremely flawed, or there is no God. You choose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

False accusation from you again.

It is like a comedy where the evolutionists say, “ask us anything about origins”. So, you start asking them questions. And each time they say, “I do not know”. After a while you give up, they then say, “is there any other origin question that you want us to answer?”

Where did the universe come from?

If the explanation is the Bing Bang with or without inflation, what was there before that?

If there was nothing before the Big Bang, then that breaks cause and effect. It also violates every law of conservation too.

And look at that. He tries to disprove his own god again.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course with exact timing. Remember you have fulfilled many Biblical prophecies with exact timing and exact details very many times.

The Bible predicts many things that must happen in the last days. All these are predicted to happen from about 2000 to 3500 years ago. Not only were they predicted to happen in some indeterminate future but in a in our time.

Now to understand this exact timing, you must understand how they all line up and build up. The easiest way is by an analogy. There is a path. A person decides to walk along that path. This is analogous to the first prophecy coming true. For example, knowledge is increased in the last days. Knowledge has taken off and in increasing rapidly. That may have come true about 100 years ago. But it is still increasing rapidly, so it is still true. Is it exact timing? Yes, to the exact 100 years but even until this very day. This is the equivalent to the first person continuing his walk along the path. As another prophecy comes true, that is the equivalent to a second person joining the first person walking along the path. As each prophecy comes true, another person joins in this walk along the path until there are many walking along together.

First to establish the timing consider the following.

God created man by a direct act and not through evolution from lower life forms. This is clear from the following passages.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Gen 1:26-27

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. – Gen 2:7,21-23

The age of the earth is easily determined from the Bible, which is the true word of God. In Genesis 1, it is clear that God created all things, including the earth, the universe, the sun, the moon, the stars, all life and of course Adam and Eve on the 6th day. To determine the age of the earth, extensive genealogies are given along with the age at which each father begat the named sun. Historical kings are mentioned in the book of Daniel and elsewhere in the Old Testament. The command to rebuild the temple and the 70-week prophecy in Daniel gives 70x7=490 yrs. The Biblical precept of a day is a year is found in Numbers where the Israelites were punished to wander 40 years in the desert, a year for each day since they spied out the land of the Canaanites and did not believe what God could do.

Usher and Isaac Newton followed the same logic, and both determined the earth to have been created about 6000 years ago. There are others who have done the same thing. All the logic, all the real science and all the facts also confirm that the earth and everything in it is about 6000 years old.

Light is created early on the first day and separated from darkness. Thus, there is directional light from the very beginning. This is even before the sun is created on the 4th day. Directional light plus a rotating earth gives night and day. Thus, the days below are very close to 24 hrs. That is shown by the 6x “the evening and the morning” are used. The ordinal count of days also proves that these are 24-hour days.

5 … And the evening and the morning were the first day. 8 … And the evening and the morning were the second day. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 1:5,8,13,19,23,31

God created all things in 6 days. He did it, knows how it was done and knows when it was done. So, God’s eyewitness testimony is 100% true. All supposed “science”, which disagrees, is therefore false. God spoke with His mouth 2x and wrote with His finger 2x the following. By the way Christ may have written the 10 commandants with His finger in the sand. He certainly used that to teach as it says “all taught of God” in John 6:45.

1 And God spake all these words, saying, 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exo 20:1,11

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. 18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. - Exo 31:17-18

And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. - Exo 32:16

And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. - Exo 34:1

The Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago, was there, did it and knows when it happened. The following 4 passages shows that Jesus Christ believed in 6-day recent creation. Many times throughout the Bible, creation, the fall, Cain and Abel, and the flood are spoken as real events.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? - Matt 19:4-5

6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. - Mark 10:6-9

As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: - Luke 1:70

50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. - Luke11:50-51

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Rom 1:20

A man names Henry Morris, a creation scientist, said that if you deny 6-day recent creation, you will also have to deny the worldwide flood in Noah’s day. The Atheistic Origin “Scientists” with there no God assumption will just not allow God, period. See the topic “Don’t be conned with the no God Assumption of Atheistic Origin Science”.

Almost all the sedimentary layers with their fossils are the result of the worldwide flood during the time of Noah, which occurred about 4500 years ago. A real scientific study of those layers proves it. There are many other scientific proofs of recent creation.

One last point is needed. The Bible gives a timeline for the time between creation and the creation of a new heaven and a new earth. It is 7000 years. The 1000 years reign of Christ is yet to come. It comes after the pre-trib rapture and the almost 7-year tribulation. The 6-day creation, which is 6 consecutive 24-hour days is also actually a prophecy and gives the timeline. Peter wrote:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. – 2 Peter 3:8

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: - 2 Peter 3:5-6

Now the word of God says:

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. – Amos 3:7

So, God reveals things to His prophets who wrote it done. All the Bible is written as prophecy (see 2 Peter 1:22).

So, God cannot rapture His church and bring tribulation unless He revealed it to His prophets who wrote it done. In fact, all the Bible is lit up with fulfilled prophecy of things that must be just before the rapture. The amazing thing is not even that all these things were prophesied to happen but to happen at exactly our time. You see any can say man will have increased knowledge in some indeterminate future time. But the exact timing is given by scripture written about 2000 to 3500 years ago. The exact timing is given by the 6000-year age of the earth and the timeline given by the Bible. This is just another great proof that the Bible is the very true word of God Almighty. God Himself gave that as a proof in the Chapters Isa 41-47.

22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you. – Isa 41:22-24

So now, in our very time, all these things should be coming to pass. As Christ said:

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. – Matt 24:32-33

No, no, no. We're not Gish Galloping off onto something else.

We're talking about these right now:

Evil men and seducers waxing worse and worse. 2 Tim 3:13

Great delusion and deception in the last days. – 2 Thess 2

Where is this "exact timing" you speak of in those verses you provided to me and told me they describe exact timing?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Because they are not honest inquiries. Haven't you noticed that when we ask him the same sort of questions about God that he has no response?

By his rather poor standards we have disproved God. So, either his methodology is extremely flawed, or there is no God. You choose.

Nothing rational in your post.

The Bible predicted in Daniel 12 that knowledge shall be increased, and this includes scientific knowledge.
Now note that Gentry got the idea that it proved the instantaneous creation of the earth from the Bible. See Psalm 33:9.
And Gentry also got the idea that it proved the flood from the flood description in Gen 6-8.
Also Gentry figured out that the 10 commandments were written on stone and probably granite.
The 4th commandment says that God created all things in 6 days, so Gentry noted that the Earth was created on day 1. See Exodus 20:10 and Genesis .
So amazingly, God wrote the 10 commandments including the 4th commandment on granite instantaneously created when the Earth was created with very many parentless polonium radio haloes in the granite which proves 6 day creation about 6000 years ago And refutes evolution and billions of years.
Robert Gentry showed that parentless polonium 210, 214, and 218 radio haloes must be primordial based on the decay rates of the isotopes in the decay chain.
And he gave a simple falsification test that has yet been met. This test should be child’s play today. Not only can they not produce the granite with even one polonium 218 halo, they can’t even make that type of granite with the coarse grain.
How do you explain that?
Also he showed, using some polonium halos which are not primordial, that the rock layers are from the flood and laid down within a period of about 1 year.
If Gentry’s reasoning is correct, he has found direct evidence for the instantaneous creation of the Earth and of the worldwide flood.
There are many trillions and trillions of these halos in granite rocks all around the world.
I guess you have not read his book?
If you do you would know that Gentry faced a lot of censorship in many forms.

Seems like the attack on Israel is fulfilling prophecy with exact detail and timing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Genesis account does tell that the writer many centuries ago seemed to knew an amazing feature of the rib to regenerate itself.
Glad you recognized that. Now ask me: do I understand in detail everything written in the Bible? You guessed correctly!! No. I do not. Take care. Oh, and how do I know what you might think? I figured based upon past conversations with you. Scientific method? Hmm, I don't particularly think so. Female institution? Although I'm a female, I think almost anybody could guess it.

No. It doesn't do that at all. Where does it say or even imply that Adam grew his rib back? And though broken ribs heal the only sources that I have ever seen that states that a removed rib will regrow are creationist ones. In fact many very ignorant creationists (sorry for the redundancy) used to believe that men had one fewer ribs than women.


When a person gets one fact right and twenty wrong they are not reliable.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

No, no, no. We're not Gish Galloping off onto something else.

We're talking about these right now:

Evil men and seducers waxing worse and worse. 2 Tim 3:13

Great delusion and deception in the last days. – 2 Thess 2

Where is this "exact timing" you speak of in those verses you provided to me and told me they describe exact timing?

2 thess 2 and 2 Tim 3:13 are referring to evolutionists and those that believe in billions of years

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nothing rational in your post.

The Bible predicted in Daniel 12 that knowledge shall be increased, and this includes scientific knowledge.
Now note that Gentry got the idea that it proved the instantaneous creation of the earth from the Bible. See Psalm 33:9.
And Gentry also got the idea that it proved the flood from the flood description in Gen 6-8.
Also Gentry figured out that the 10 commandments were written on stone and probably granite.
The 4th commandment says that God created all things in 6 days, so Gentry noted that the Earth was created on day 1. See Exodus 20:10 and Genesis .
So amazingly, God wrote the 10 commandments including the 4th commandment on granite instantaneously created when the Earth was created with very many parentless polonium radio haloes in the granite which proves 6 day creation about 6000 years ago And refutes evolution and billions of years.
Robert Gentry showed that parentless polonium 210, 214, and 218 radio haloes must be primordial based on the decay rates of the isotopes in the decay chain.
And he gave a simple falsification test that has yet been met. This test should be child’s play today. Not only can they not produce the granite with even one polonium 218 halo, they can’t even make that type of granite with the coarse grain.
How do you explain that?
Also he showed, using some polonium halos which are not primordial, that the rock layers are from the flood and laid down within a period of about 1 year.
If Gentry’s reasoning is correct, he has found direct evidence for the instantaneous creation of the Earth and of the worldwide flood.
There are many trillions and trillions of these halos in granite rocks all around the world.
I guess you have not read his book?
If you do you would know that Gentry faced a lot of censorship in many forms.

Seems like the attack on Israel is fulfilling prophecy with exact detail and timing.

Nope, you lost this one a long time ago.

 

[Subduction Zone]

2 thess 2 and 2 Tim 3:13 are referring to evolutionists and those that believe in billions of years

No, that is your flawed interpretation.

Meanwhile that doesn't change the fact that you call your god a liar.

 

[F1fan]

The Genesis account does tell that the writer many centuries ago seemed to knew an amazing feature of the rib to regenerate itself.

Do you mean over time people realized broken ribs healed faster than other broken bones due to some amazing knowledge, and not just observations?

Glad you recognized that. Now ask me: do I understand in detail everything written in the Bible? You guessed correctly!! No. I do not.

But you do show that you interpret it in ways that are contrary to facts and knowledge, and that defies reasoning.

Take care. Oh, and how do I know what you might think? I figured based upon past conversations with you. Scientific method? Hmm, I don't particularly think so. Female institution? Although I'm a female, I think almost anybody could guess it.

Experience gives us awareness of patterns, like broken ribs healing faster than other bones. Of course you have to be wary of your biases and inability to reason via evidence to sound conclusions, which you have a history of not doing.

 

[F1fan]

The Bible is quite clear that evolution and billions of years is false.

Only if you interpret it by ignoring evidence that's available to us in 2023. You have your interpretation by rejecting science, and that's why you are incorrect, as everyone points out.

This is your major flaw: you are a fallen human who sins, but you believe your interpretation is perfect and infallible. It's as if you think yourself a God and able to dismiss facts and science.

If I were to write a Bible like story about creationists you are like Pontius Pilate who has condemned Evolution to death by crucifiction, but as we see Evolution survives and goes on to inform eductated children and adults the world over, including smart Christians. Evolution goes on the help medicine and science develop vaccines and saves the life of many millions of people over the last century.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nothing rational in your post.

The Bible predicted in Daniel 12 that knowledge shall be increased, and this includes scientific knowledge.
Now note that Gentry got the idea that it proved the instantaneous creation of the earth from the Bible. See Psalm 33:9.
And Gentry also got the idea that it proved the flood from the flood description in Gen 6-8.
Also Gentry figured out that the 10 commandments were written on stone and probably granite.
The 4th commandment says that God created all things in 6 days, so Gentry noted that the Earth was created on day 1. See Exodus 20:10 and Genesis .
So amazingly, God wrote the 10 commandments including the 4th commandment on granite instantaneously created when the Earth was created with very many parentless polonium radio haloes in the granite which proves 6 day creation about 6000 years ago And refutes evolution and billions of years.
Robert Gentry showed that parentless polonium 210, 214, and 218 radio haloes must be primordial based on the decay rates of the isotopes in the decay chain.
And he gave a simple falsification test that has yet been met. This test should be child’s play today. Not only can they not produce the granite with even one polonium 218 halo, they can’t even make that type of granite with the coarse grain.
How do you explain that?
Also he showed, using some polonium halos which are not primordial, that the rock layers are from the flood and laid down within a period of about 1 year.
If Gentry’s reasoning is correct, he has found direct evidence for the instantaneous creation of the Earth and of the worldwide flood.
There are many trillions and trillions of these halos in granite rocks all around the world.
I guess you have not read his book?
If you do you would know that Gentry faced a lot of censorship in many forms.

Seems like the attack on Israel is fulfilling prophecy with exact detail and timing.

Gentry's reasoning has never been shown to be correct.

 

[SkepticThinker]

2 thess 2 and 2 Tim 3:13 are referring to evolutionists and those that believe in billions of years

Nope. This is what you said:

Here are great predictions from the Bible with exact timing made 2000 years ago. You are certainly a fulfillment of these and very many times.

Evil men and seducers waxing worse and worse. 2 Tim 3:13

Great delusion and deception in the last days. – 2 Thess 2


Where is the "exact timing" in those verses?