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Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
It was just kinds not species. Kind may be analogous to genus.
May be, but you don't know right? Right. So it could mean anything and is, thus, a useless descriptive.

There is no scripture supporting what you say other than people ignorant of biology used the word kind without describing what that meant or understanding that species even existed.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
When you say you are a believer, what do you mean.
I am glad you said that you believe and not no. That would require assumption.

This is just a preliminary list, more is coming.
How does one explain polystrate trees?
How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?
How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?
How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?
Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?
How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?
There is a great deception in some of the ages that are quoted by evolutionists. Why the deception?
There are inconsistencies in the radioactive dating results of many things. So isochron dating has been used. But even then, there are many large discrepancies. Why?
The inconsistencies in the dating of things and in all “clocks” used to set the age of things can be simply explained if some miraculous events occurred. These would be 6-day creation, the fall of man and the curse on creation and the worldwide flood about 4500 years ago.
There is a lack of a 50-50 racemization of amino acids in fossils. Why?
There are discontinuous fossil sequences in the fossil record. Why?
Oil, coal, and opals can be formed rapidly under certain conditions. Why the deception?
The evidence is that the coal beads and fossilized wood were formed rapidly. Why?
There are missing layers representing millions of years. Why?
Why are there ephemeral markings at the boundaries of layers? That shows rapid deposit.
If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or so, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm?
History is too short. Why?
The Great Barrier reef is only 4200 years old; the oldest tree is only 4300 years old. Why?
The age of the Sahara Desert is only 4000 years old. Why?
There is too much helium in radioactive rocks. Why?
There is helium in old zircon crystals. Why?
Thick sedimentary rock layers bent beyond the fracturing point, yet not fractured. Why?
The Mississippi river delta and deltas around the world show the result of one large flood like the worldwide flood. Why?
The arms of spiral galaxies should no longer exist, but they do. Why?
There is not enough helium in the earth’s atmosphere to support an old atmosphere. Why?
There is not enough sediment at the bottom of the sea to support an old earth. Why?
High speed objects in globular clusters show that they are young. Why?
Living fossils invalidate not only the age and origin of the sedimentary rock but refute evolution over eons.
The natural direction of life is degeneration not evolution.
The genetic load in all creatures means they would have ceased to exist after so much time. They have not. Why?
The DNA, RNA, and proteins with some of these being enzymes is a triply interconnected irreducibly complex system. Evolution could not be the mechanism to produce these.
There are depictions of dinosaurs from ancient cultures. Why?
Job 40:15-19 describes a plant eating dinosaur, probably Brachiosaurus. Why?
Almost all ancient cultures have a record of a worldwide blood and a remnant saved on a great boat, sometimes 8 people. How do explain that?
All population growth statistics invalidate mankind being around for more than 6000 years old but match only 8 people being saved in the ark. This matches the world at the time of Christ and today.
It does not seem that there is enough force for the Indian sub-continent to have crashed into Asia and raised the Himalayan Mountain range with just plate tectonics. Why?
The dim young sun paradox invalidates long ages for the sun, evolution, and life on the earth.
The rate of recession of the moon from the earth limits the age of the moon.
The rapid decline of the Earth’s magnetic strength limits the age of the earth. Why?
The salt content of the oceans is too low for an old earth. Why?
The concentration of various minerals in the ocean limits the age of the oceans. Why?
The rock layers show no signs of erosion between layers. Why?
There is no time between rock layers for slow deposition. Why?
There is not enough erosion of continental plates for an old earth. Why?
Earth is not cooled enough for it to be old. Why?
Earth’s rotation rate is slowing for it to be old. Why?
Haeckel’s drawings were not accurate, yet his drawings are still used for evolution. Why the fraud?
Nebraska man was not a man. Why the fraud?
The Milken experiment is a disaster for evolutionists. Why the deception.
Beware of the old con “the building blocks of life”. Why the deception?
Why was Cain afraid of a populated earth when leaving the garden?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Some parts are still drying up.
The flood event took about 1 year.
The aftermath took centuries.
In Electrical Engineering, after an impulse or step function, there will be a transient response. This will be a superposition of waves from each subsystem resonating at their natural frequency until all the energy has dissipated.
Yes, too bad that does not apply to the world in a reasonable fashion.

At any rate you are claiming that it did not dry up over 100,000 times. Actually about 260,000 times:


That is an example of annual varves. Annual layers that reflect the changing seasons. It is not the only one that we have, but it is a deposit that is well explained by geology and one that creationists have no explanation for. There are countless examples. Limestone alone is a problem that creationists cannot answer.

You should be trying to learn how we know that the myths of Genesis never happened. You should not keep claiming that God is a liar.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
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Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
Some parts are still drying up.
The flood event took about 1 year.
The aftermath took centuries.
In Electrical Engineering, after an impulse or step function, there will be a transient response. This will be a superposition of waves from each subsystem resonating at their natural frequency until all the energy has dissipated.
Interesting. Nothing in scripture about that and no published reports. It sounds like speculation masquerading as fact.

So, you use something actual to describe something unevidenced to make it seem that the former speculation is valid by the association. Nice technique if it weren't so obvious.

I wonder why the claim of a global flood cannot stand on the merits of evidence?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
They are creation Scientists.
Newton, Pascal, and a whole bunch were creationists.
No, now you have shown that you do not know the meaning or the origin of the word "creationist". None of those were "creationists". They all predate the theory of evolution. Creationism is a mythical belief in response to the theory of evolution. I even know who came up with the term.

You are relying on a known lying source where if one wants to contribute to it one has to swear not to follow the scientific method. That means by definition there are no scientist at Answers in Genesis. There are people with degrees but none of them follow the scientific method.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
When you say you are a believer, what do you mean.
I am glad you said that you believe and not no. That would require assumption.

This is just a preliminary list, more is coming.
How does one explain polystrate trees?
How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?
How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?
How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?
Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?
How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?
There is a great deception in some of the ages that are quoted by evolutionists. Why the deception?
There are inconsistencies in the radioactive dating results of many things. So isochron dating has been used. But even then, there are many large discrepancies. Why?
The inconsistencies in the dating of things and in all “clocks” used to set the age of things can be simply explained if some miraculous events occurred. These would be 6-day creation, the fall of man and the curse on creation and the worldwide flood about 4500 years ago.
There is a lack of a 50-50 racemization of amino acids in fossils. Why?
There are discontinuous fossil sequences in the fossil record. Why?
Oil, coal, and opals can be formed rapidly under certain conditions. Why the deception?
The evidence is that the coal beads and fossilized wood were formed rapidly. Why?
There are missing layers representing millions of years. Why?
Why are there ephemeral markings at the boundaries of layers? That shows rapid deposit.
If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or so, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm?
History is too short. Why?
The Great Barrier reef is only 4200 years old; the oldest tree is only 4300 years old. Why?
The age of the Sahara Desert is only 4000 years old. Why?
There is too much helium in radioactive rocks. Why?
There is helium in old zircon crystals. Why?
Thick sedimentary rock layers bent beyond the fracturing point, yet not fractured. Why?
The Mississippi river delta and deltas around the world show the result of one large flood like the worldwide flood. Why?
The arms of spiral galaxies should no longer exist, but they do. Why?
There is not enough helium in the earth’s atmosphere to support an old atmosphere. Why?
There is not enough sediment at the bottom of the sea to support an old earth. Why?
High speed objects in globular clusters show that they are young. Why?
Living fossils invalidate not only the age and origin of the sedimentary rock but refute evolution over eons.
The natural direction of life is degeneration not evolution.
The genetic load in all creatures means they would have ceased to exist after so much time. They have not. Why?
The DNA, RNA, and proteins with some of these being enzymes is a triply interconnected irreducibly complex system. Evolution could not be the mechanism to produce these.
There are depictions of dinosaurs from ancient cultures. Why?
Job 40:15-19 describes a plant eating dinosaur, probably Brachiosaurus. Why?
Almost all ancient cultures have a record of a worldwide blood and a remnant saved on a great boat, sometimes 8 people. How do explain that?
All population growth statistics invalidate mankind being around for more than 6000 years old but match only 8 people being saved in the ark. This matches the world at the time of Christ and today.
It does not seem that there is enough force for the Indian sub-continent to have crashed into Asia and raised the Himalayan Mountain range with just plate tectonics. Why?
The dim young sun paradox invalidates long ages for the sun, evolution, and life on the earth.
The rate of recession of the moon from the earth limits the age of the moon.
The rapid decline of the Earth’s magnetic strength limits the age of the earth. Why?
The salt content of the oceans is too low for an old earth. Why?
The concentration of various minerals in the ocean limits the age of the oceans. Why?
The rock layers show no signs of erosion between layers. Why?
There is no time between rock layers for slow deposition. Why?
There is not enough erosion of continental plates for an old earth. Why?
Earth is not cooled enough for it to be old. Why?
Earth’s rotation rate is slowing for it to be old. Why?
Haeckel’s drawings were not accurate, yet his drawings are still used for evolution. Why the fraud?
Nebraska man was not a man. Why the fraud?
The Milken experiment is a disaster for evolutionists. Why the deception.
Beware of the old con “the building blocks of life”. Why the deception?
Seems to me the only task you have here is to defend this list by supporting and explaining each item in detail.

Since that hasn't happened and doesn't look like it ever will, none of what you do beyond that has much meaning in support of your position.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Here is simple challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

I will soon post a thread that will refute billions of years and evolution.
Since you have amply demonstrated that you wouldn't know an assumption from a well-tested fact (like the half-lives of many radioctive materials), you wouldn't be able to properly assess what anyone told you anyway -- so why on earth would we bother?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The challenge is 101% bogus, because Hovind himself will evaluate the "evidence" produced. If the umpire standing behind the plate at a baseball game happens to be the owner of one of the teams on the field, I can tell you before the first pitch which team will win.
 
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SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Yes, too bad that does not apply to the world in a reasonable fashion.

At any rate you are claiming that it did not dry up over 100,000 times. Actually about 260,000 times:


That is an example of annual varves. Annual layers that reflect the changing seasons. It is not the only one that we have, but it is a deposit that is well explained by geology and one that creationists have no explanation for. There are countless examples. Limestone alone is a problem that creationists cannot answer.

You should be trying to learn how we know that the myths of Genesis never happened. You should not keep claiming that God is a liar.
Except when a Worldwide flood was involved.
 
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