Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[Trailblazer]

And the same people that get taking in by cold reading are the same people that fall for biblical prophecies.

I would never be taken in by cold reading. It is so obviously a sham.

There is only one way you can know that you are actually contacting a spirit who is is the spiritual world. If, before that person died, you and that person agreed to say something that only you and that person know about and that comes through in the communication, then you know it is that person. My late husband agreed on something a long time ago, but I don't know if he would still remember. Unfortunately, I did not to to talk to him in his last days to remind him, and too much else was going on.

I have not tried to contact him yet but I might, but I am not telling anyone what our secret is, and certainly I would not tell the medium. It is such an obscure thing, nobody could ever guess it, so if it came through I would know it was him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I would never be taken in by cold reading. It is so obviously a sham.

There is only one way you can know that you are actually contacting a spirit who is is the spiritual world. If, before that person died, you and that person agreed to say something that only you and that person know about and that comes through in the communication then you know it is that person. My late husband agreed on something a long time ago, but I don't know if he would still remember. Unfortunately, I did not to to talk to him in his last days to remind him, and too much else was going on.

I have not tried to contact him yet but I might, but I am not telling anyone what our secret is, and certainly I would not tell the medium. It is such an obscure thing, nobody could ever guess it, so if it came through I would know it was him.

Perhaps you got that idea from Houdini. For part of his life Houdini would go around exposing the various fakes out there. He was a "magician". Which actually means he studied how to fool people. Magic tricks of course are not real. One has to know how to distract people and coverup one's actions. Such a person is much more likely to discover such trickery when they see it. At any rate a lot of the people he exposed were various cold readers that would incorporate magic tricks to scam clients. He did not appreciate that. Still he was curious about there being an after life and he too arranged with his wife a secret code. She never heard it.

 

[Trailblazer]

Still he was curious about there being an after life and he too arranged with his wife a secret code. She never heard it.

Do you mean he tried to contact her using a medium and she did not come through and respond with the secret code?

Do you know how many spirits there are in the spiritual world? Everyone who has ever died is there. What are the mathematical chances of contacting one particular spirit?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you mean he tried to contact her using a medium and she did not come through and respond with the secret code?

Do you know how many spirits there are in the spiritual world? Everyone who has ever died is there. What are the mathematical chances of contacting one particular spirit?

They had a code of some sort if they wanted to contact each other. There was an open challenge to all sorts of seers.

The Houdini Code - Magicpedia

www.geniimagazine.com

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Please -- even though I agree with you on many points regarding the impossibility of evolution as purported by many--I would like to know the idea you speak about regarding the 6 day creation. Then of course there was a 7th day following the six days as proclaimed in the Genesis account. So do you believe the next 24 hour day came after the 6 days, and do you believe the first 6 days were 24 hours each? Put another way, would you say day one of creation begins the 6000 years or are those 6000 some odd years within the last day as written of creation?

So creation took place in 6 24 hour days and the next 24 hour period was the 7th day.
So the 6000 or so years are not part of the 7th day, but come after it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So creation took place in 6 24 hour days and the next 24 hour period was the 7th day.
So the 6000 or so years are not part of the 7th day, but come after it.

All of the scientific evidence out there tells us that is not the case.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

All of the scientific evidence out there tells us that is not the case.

All the evidence proves evolution and billions of years are false.

What was the first living creature and what features did it have?
How did it actually produce an offspring?

 

[Subduction Zone]

All the evidence proves evolution and billions of years are false.

What was the first living creature and what features did it have?
How did it actually produce an offspring?

Please, if you understood the concept of evidence you would know that you just lied.

That is only of the ways that we know that you have no clue as to what evidence is. And every you know that you have no clue. That is why your run away all of the time.

Why are you so afraid if you believe that you are right?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Please, if you understood the concept of evidence you would know that you just lied.

That is only of the ways that we know that you have no clue as to what evidence is. And every you know that you have no clue. That is why your run away all of the time.

Why are you so afraid if you believe that you are right?

The redshift theory is being falsified by all the evindence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The redshift theory is being falsified by all the evindence.

Nope. Not yet. And it it is it only means that the universe is even older than 13.7 billion years. Please make up your mind.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Nope. Not yet. And it it is it only means that the universe is even older than 13.7 billion years. Please make up your mind.

With the redshift theory now debunked, there is no expansion and no Big Bang.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It would have to have had at least 100,000 amino acids in a particular sequence. This is extremely generous. The smallest free-living thing has over 1,000,000 base pairs. I also have not included having over 500 million other atoms in it.

You need some information check there (it is easy, I did it within 2 minutes, but you never seem to have done it).
There are 20 to 22 amino acids in human body and not tens of thousand. Some of them are produced by the body, some we get from food (Essential amino acids - about 10).
There are various variants of amino acids, some are not harmful, the others may be harmful.

Amino Acids

An amino acid is the fundamental molecule that serves as the building block for proteins.

www.genome.gov

Many amino acid substitution variants identified in DNA repair genes during human population screenings are predicted to impact protein function - PubMed

Over 520 different amino acid substitution variants have been previously identified in the systematic screening of 91 human DNA repair genes for sequence variation. Two algorithms were employed to predict the impact of these amino acid substitutions on protein activity. Sorting Intolerant from...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

More on that here: How many aminoacids in human dna? - Google Search

 

[SavedByTheLord]

You need some information check there (it is easy, I did it within 2 minutes, but you never seem to have done it).
There are 20 to 22 amino acids in human body and not tens of thousand. Some of them are produced by the body, some we get from food (Essential amino acids - about 10).
There are various variants of amino acids, some are not harmful, the others may be harmful.

Amino Acids

An amino acid is the fundamental molecule that serves as the building block for proteins.

www.genome.gov

Many amino acid substitution variants identified in DNA repair genes during human population screenings are predicted to impact protein function - PubMed

Over 520 different amino acid substitution variants have been previously identified in the systematic screening of 91 human DNA repair genes for sequence variation. Two algorithms were employed to predict the impact of these amino acid substitutions on protein activity. Sorting Intolerant from...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

More on that here: How many aminoacids in human dna? - Google Search

Proteins not amino acids.

 

[ratiocinator]

Explosion of knowledge in the last days. – Dan 12:4

Explosion in worldwide travel in the last days. – Daniel 12:4

"But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."

Where's the 'explosion of knowledge"? "Go here and there" hardly foretells "worldwide travel". Pathetic.

Population explosion in the last days to the levels of today. – Rev 9:6

"During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them."

Nothing about population. Pathetic.

The technology to implement the mark of the beast available in the last days. – Rev 14-16

Nothing about technology. Pathetic.

Too bored to go on with the rest. You need to do way, way better than that to win over the non-gullible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

With the redshift theory now debunked, there is no expansion and no Big Bang.

It has not been debunked. Why do you keep making false claims?

You do know that there is a "law" about that, don't you?

 

[Aupmanyav]

"But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."
Where's the 'explosion of knowledge"? "Go here and there" hardly foretells "worldwide travel". Pathetic.

"During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them."

Nothing about technology. Pathetic.

Too bored to go on with the rest. You need to do way, way better than that to win over the non-gullible.

May be it was not world-wide travel but travel in nearby countries. That too was looked down. That is why the direction to Daniel to "seal the words of scrolls" - Ban any knowledge other than those in the scrolls.
Revelation 9 seems to have been written after a strong dose of hallucinogens - locusts as large as horses
Whoever wrote or believed that is really funny.
Revelation 14:16 also is the same.
However, what hallucinogen was available in Israel at that time? Mushrooms? in Central Asia, it was probably Ephedra (Soma/Haoma).
Yeah, Bible needs to do much better to be believable. Time for a revision again.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes at that time period egypt required circumcision by god (pharoah) and Moses was perhaps the first male child that she ever saw that was NOT circumcised

Moses was not circumcised until after being married

Here is a published paper.

https://jbqnew.jewishbible.org/assets/Uploads/441/JBQ_441_newmancircumcise.pdf

"""""The practice was . . . prevalent in Egypt" we are told. 2 Jeremiah states: Lo, days are coming – declares the Lord – when I will take note of everyone circumcised in the foreskin; of Egypt, Judah, Edom, the Ammonites, Moab (Jer. 9:24-25). Note that the Egyptians appear first in this list. Similarly, when Ezekiel speaks against Pharaoh, he tells of his bitter end: And you too shall be brought down . . . to the lowest part of the netherworld; you shall lie among the uncircumcised (Ezek. 31:18). This indicates that not being circum- WHY MOSES DID NOT CIRCUMCISE HIS SON Vol. 44, No. 1, 2016 51 cised was, for the Egyptians, a disgrace.3 Egyptian circumcision dates back to at least 2400 BCE and was usually confined to the priesthood or the royal family.4 Its association with the Egyptians was also noted by Herodotus, who mentions "the obvious antiquity of the custom in Egypt" and the fact that "other peoples learned the practice through their contact with Egypt" (Historiae, 2:104). Accordingly, there is a strong connection between Egypt and circumcision.5 We can now understand why Moses would decide not to circumcise his son. When he fled to Midian, Moses repudiated his Egyptian upbringing. It is reasonable to assume that Moses consciously rejected circumcision as an ancient Egyptian rite, the first of the Egyptians’ practices which the Israelites would have to renounce

Hello Bthoth. Good morning. I was going over the information about Moses and circumcision and do not find that in the Bible that he was not circumcised. Maybe I missed it, but thank you for bringing it up because it opens up a new thought for me about circumcision, not realizing that circumcision was evidently practiced among the Egyptians also. I remember later on a situation occurred with Moses' wife and circumcision. So thanks for bringing it up. I was reading about circumcision and see the following: "Circumcision was practiced in Egypt, as is illustrated in wall paintings and observed in mummies, but it is uncertain when it was first introduced in that country and to what extent it was performed. Some say that Joseph as food administrator introduced it to Egypt. Others cite Herodotus as authority for their claim that Abraham simply borrowed the custom from the Egyptians." https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000977
I'll have to do a little more studying on this when I have more time, thanks!

 

[YoursTrue]

So creation took place in 6 24 hour days and the next 24 hour period was the 7th day.
So the 6000 or so years are not part of the 7th day, but come after it.

OK. I appreciate your thoughts especially about the questions about evolution. I do not recognize that each creative day was 24 hours each because the word day in the Bible can be used otherwise, meaning to describe a period of time with a beginning and close, and geology itself tells us that the earth is much older than 6,000 years plus a few days. But thanks for letting me know you think the 6000 or so years comes after the 7th 24-hour day. Not that I agree, but thanks for clarifying your position on this now.
I do appreciate your questioning of the topic of evolution and see you have some more-than-valid questions which no one now can answer, and in fact, the Darwinian model of evolutionary theory doesn't make sense to me (any longer because I used to believe everything "science" taught me) as presented by "evolutionists." Take care.

 

[Mock Turtle]

the Darwinian model of evolutionary theory doesn't make sense to me (any longer because I used to believe everything "science" taught me) as presented by "evolutionists."

Perhaps be more critical, and strain to be more knowledgeable, but this not making any sense applies equally to those who simply accept the religious texts, even literally, like SBTL and others - with even worst results - making them even more ignorant than they might ever be.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

False accusations by you shows evolution and billions of years cannot be defined.

More problems with the Big Bang Theory and the redshift explanation. Notice again the use of censorship. A theory that is false must resort to these tactics else it then tossed on the scrap heap of history.

Plasma Cosmology .net

I think it's hilarious how you will grasp at any source that is anti-science, while not even caring that what they are about is actually in completely opposition to your own YEC nonsense.

It shows just how intellectually lazy or dishonest (not sure which it is) you really are.