Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
How long does it take for the light to reach the eyes, sound to reach the ears, and the signal to reach the brain?
I'd say we are hopelessly living in the past!
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Challenge for Those that believe that the World is more than 1 second old. Prove it! No assumptions allowed!
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I'd say we are hopelessly living in the past!
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Pass the bong.
RestlessSoul
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I’m witnessing the second hand in motion. My experience of the flow of time is not composed of a single discrete instant; if it were, there would be no experience, because the instant, being ever moving, could not be apprehended. I’m not relying on memory, which may be false, because consciousness necessarily stretches to experience the extended moment.
Put another way, the here and now has both temporal and spatial dimensions, allowing the flow of time to be observed.
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It takes my PC about 5 seconds to boot up.
Here I am, posting on it!
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Correction: it takes your PC 1 second to boot up, repeated 5 times.
Proof number 765.
Even that takes 5 seconds minimum.
Motion is an inferential assumption based on memory and you may have been created 1 second ago only with all that memory in place for you to mistakenly infer motion based on what you see in this 1 second.
So, if god created all this one second ago, that must make god the smoke?
It makes me suspect Tezcatlipoca! (aka Smoking Mirror)
Tezcatlipoca - Wikipedia
Have you finally found god?
("And god breathed the spirit of life into Adam's nostrils, and he became a living soul" makes a whole lot more sense now!)
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RestlessSoul
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I don’t think motion is inferred; rather, I maintain it can be directly observed, as directly as any phenomenon can be observed. How can I show this? Through observation, which is the only way anything can be shown to be so.
Absolutely nothing in this world is static, it’s all in flux. Past, present and future flow into each other continuously, and we see this everywhere we look. Look at even a solid rock, and the patterns of reflected light are changing all the time. This restless animation, this unfolding in time, is a defining characteristic of our experience of the world.
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Can't be done.
There's no such thing as a conclusion that doesn't rest upon axiomatic assumptions.
That said, axiomatic assumptions are axiomatic for a reason - they are often so self-evident and obvious that it is more than a bit silly to not simply grant them as true for the purposes of life and living. And while the way in which humans measure time is a construct, it is obvious that change (a function of time) occurs on a continuous basis.
There's no such thing as a conclusion that doesn't rest upon axiomatic assumptions.
That said, axiomatic assumptions are axiomatic for a reason - they are often so self-evident and obvious that it is more than a bit silly to not simply grant them as true for the purposes of life and living. And while the way in which humans measure time is a construct, it is obvious that change (a function of time) occurs on a continuous basis.
Trick question because it's clear that none of us have a life.Prove you had a life before this past 1 second without assumptions!
McBell
Admiral Obvious
um...
Which past second?
this one?
That one?
That other one?
This other one?
Hey look! a squirrel.....
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
That is the best answer yet from the evolutionists.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Well I have this watch . . . wait , no I don't.
Rats. Back to the drawing board.
Rats. Back to the drawing board.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Ah, but can you prove it was created more then 1 second ago, without assumptions?
Checkmate, atheists!
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Assumptions here, assumptions there, assumptions EVERYWHERE!!
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Everything that supposedly happened to you before this very moment, is just a memory - including your memory of having experienced the flow of time in the supposed past.
Bottom line is that you are simply assuming that your memories of this are reflective of actual reality.
But they aren't off course, because in reality, everything was created just a second ago. Including your memories. And this post.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Ah, but can you prove it was created more then 1 second ago, without assumptions?
Checkmate, atheists!