Challenge: I'm willing to convert if.......

[Betho_br]

Yeah but if Buddhists didn't believe in miracles, Buddhism may not even exist. Isn't there some pretty 'way out' things they have supposed to have happened. (Hope that didn't offend but teleportation, multiplication etc is way out there)

It's like trying to sell something to someone, you have to make it sound amazing for people to buy it?

And you bought it? Didn't you?

The Christian Bible (New Testament) makes a distinction between "miraculous healing" and "therapeutic action." Indeed, Jewish leaders interpreted Jesus’s healings on the Sabbath as "work." Nevertheless, the Christian Bible also differentiates between "actions" and "signs" (such as the transformation of water into wine and the "awakening" of Lazarus). Concerning Lazarus, a thorough discussion is warranted regarding the verbal aspects of Jesus's command directed at him....

Many terms are treated generically and interchangeably in Christian Bible. I suspect this is not a good interpretation.

 

[Madsaac]

Who are you to say with certainty what attracted me to the Religion?
A major point was the quote by Buddha to only believe in what your senses show you, the peaceful aspects of Buddism and the teachings on finding your own path rather then relying on a prophet as Buddha is not worshipped.
I have zero interest in miracles yet you arrogantly assume that's what attracted everyone.
I don't recall ever having encountered such an arrogant assuming person.
A miracle would be figuring out why your on a Religious site when your not remotely Religious but I'm not going to assume to know.

Yeah sorry, didn’t mean to offend.

My assumptions weren’t meant to personal but my point is if Buddhism didn’t go above the ‘normal’ in the form of miracles then there’s a good chance it wouldn’t be regarded as something special or different.

What made/makes Buddha so special?

Similar to Christianity needing miracles to make it into something

 

[Madsaac]

The Christian Bible (New Testament) makes a distinction between "miraculous healing" and "therapeutic action." Indeed, Jewish leaders interpreted Jesus’s healings on the Sabbath as "work." Nevertheless, the Christian Bible also differentiates between "actions" and "signs" (such as the transformation of water into wine and the "awakening" of Lazarus). Concerning Lazarus, a thorough discussion is warranted regarding the verbal aspects of Jesus's command directed at him....

Many terms are treated generically and interchangeably in Christian Bible. I suspect this is not a good interpretation.

Yeah okay but I think anyway you look at it, they are miracles in sense

 

[Maninthemiddle]

Yeah sorry, didn’t mean to offend.

My assumptions weren’t meant to personal but my point is if Buddhism didn’t go above the ‘normal’ in the form of miracles then there’s a good chance it wouldn’t be regarded as something special or different.

What made/makes Buddha so special?

Similar to Christianity needing miracles to make it into something

Have you read the Tipitaka

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Anyone can prove that the miracles of any kind in the major religious texts, actually happened.

Yes, that's right I am happy to become a Christian or a Muslim.

However, if these miracles cannot be proven, then you must reflect on your belief and the possibility that you believe in what you do, because of your upbringing.

I do think you have a good point OP. It's like if some people started to say the miracles mentioned in the book of Harry Potter are true.
Then children might grow up thinking Harry Potter is real, and maybe some might join the group thinking of Harry Potter just to fit in.

So are you wanting to know if there is a clear difference between the false miracles in the book of Harry Potter and the true miracles in the Bible and Quran?

Faith will never be able to give you a clear answer, because faith doesn't know the difference.

 

[Muffled]

Who are you to say with certainty what attracted me to the Religion?
A major point was the quote by Buddha to only believe in what your senses show you, the peaceful aspects of Buddism and the teachings on finding your own path rather then relying on a prophet as Buddha is not worshipped.
I have zero interest in miracles yet you arrogantly assume that's what attracted everyone.
I don't recall ever having encountered such an arrogant assuming person.
A miracle would be figuring out why your on a Religious site when your not remotely Religious but I'm not going to assume to know.

My senses said that water just looked like water. Witnesses said they had seen microbes under a microscope so I looked and they were right.

 

[Muffled]

I do think you have a good point OP. It's like if some people started to say the miracles mentioned in the book of Harry Potter are true.
Then children might grow up thinking Harry Potter is real, and maybe some might join the group thinking of Harry Potter just to fit in.

So are you wanting to know if there is a clear difference between the false miracles in the book of Harry Potter and the true miracles in the Bible and Quran?

Faith will never be able to give you a clear answer, because faith doesn't know the difference.

I believe the truth is stranger than fiction. Magic has been reported as existing in the past. The magicians in Egypt were able to turn staffs into serpents.

 

[Muffled]

Who are you to say with certainty what attracted me to the Religion?
A major point was the quote by Buddha to only believe in what your senses show you, the peaceful aspects of Buddism and the teachings on finding your own path rather then relying on a prophet as Buddha is not worshipped.
I have zero interest in miracles yet you arrogantly assume that's what attracted everyone.
I don't recall ever having encountered such an arrogant assuming person.
A miracle would be figuring out why your on a Religious site when your not remotely Religious but I'm not going to assume to know.

For me I saw people praying and figured I could contact God and it turned out that I did and He answered but that did not engender belief perhaps because at age 13 I was too young to recognize the impact of that event. Later in life I had been reading The search for Bridey Murphy which was about hypnotizing a person into regressing to previous lives. That suggested to me a spiritual existence beyond the body and then I read in the Bible John 3 and recognized the truth that one can't see a spirit but one can see the results of a spirits presence. That made me a believer in spiritual reality.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

I believe the truth is stranger than fiction. Magic has been reported as existing in the past. The magicians in Egypt were able to turn staffs into serpents.

In the book of Harry Potter there are reports of him flying around on a broom stick.

Do you think there is a difference?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

hypnotizing a person into regressing to previous lives. That suggested to me a spiritual existence beyond the body

If a hypnotist suggested to some people that they are chickens and then they all started acting as a chickens, what does that really suggest?

Were they actually all chickens in past lives?

 

[Madsaac]

Have you read the Tipitaka

No I haven't, why?

I have heard of it.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

No I haven't, why?

I have heard of it.

You talk about what attracts Buddhist to our Religion saying its miracles, yet you do not know our texts.

 

[Madsaac]

You talk about what attracts Buddhist to our Religion saying its miracles, yet you do not know our texts.

No you are right, I assumed that there must be something a little 'special' in this text about activities beyond this world, that Buddists may find attractive, maybe not and I apologise.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

No you are right, I assumed that there must be something a little 'special' in this text about activities beyond this world, that Buddists may find attractive, maybe not and I apologise.

I will know what is beyond when I go to the beyond.

 

[Betho_br]

I will know what is beyond when I go to the beyond.

If you love the things of this world, will you [go]? My father looked and saw that many of his actions were wrong, and he changed... Will I do the same?I always remember some kind of judgment, like that of Maat.

 

[Muffled]

In the book of Harry Potter there are reports of him flying around on a broom stick.

Do you think there is a difference?

I read about a Jesuit scholar who was able to levitate his body.

 

[Muffled]

If a hypnotist suggested to some people that they are chickens and then they all started acting as a chickens, what does that really suggest?

Were they actually all chickens in past lives?

I believe a hypnotist could do that but that was not what this one stated. He asked the person to think about life prior to her birth. The person could have answered that there was none and that would have been an acceptable answer.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

I read about a Jesuit scholar who was able to levitate his body.

And did you believe it happened? If so can you explain why. Do you believe someone was able to levitate, or do you believe in Jesuit scholars of Jesus?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

I believe a hypnotist could do that but that was not what this one stated. He asked the person to think about life prior to her birth. The person could have answered that there was none and that would have been an acceptable answer.

But the people couldn't say that they didn't want to be chickens. One hypnotist wants chickens, and another hypnotist wants past lives. Is there a difference?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Have you read the Tipitaka

In the Tipitaka it says people used to live to 80,000 years but then went down to 100 years because of unskillful behavior.
It says lifespan will increase again back to 80,000 years as virtue increases. Do you believe that?

The Buddha said that he was the eldest in the world.

Do you know of the 84,000 teachings of the Buddha?

Why do you believe buddhist texts?