Charlie Hebdo cartoon on dead Syrian child sparks anger

[gsa]

Where are they?
They said they're from the middle east, so they can easily pick them up since they know
how their faces are, why no one of them were caught, all of them escaped.

No, not all of them escaped. They're from Muslim cultures, although most are North African from what I have read.

Sorry to be the one who has to point this out, but Muslims aren't blameless victims of European aggression, no matter how hard they try to make themselves appear that way. And no one is going to accept that narrative, so try another.

 

[FearGod]

A lot of Egyptians think that would be the reason for her being raped. It's an insane idea, in my opinion, and I think it's unfortunate that so many people believe it (including a lot of people I know personally).

And the Egyptian who rape feels that he has the right to rape, as long as women wear immodestly.
Is that the middle eastern values.

In Egypt there're millions wearing sexy dresses, so how many victims in Egypt every day?

 

[FearGod]

No, not all of them escaped. They're from Muslim cultures, although most are North African from what I have read.

Sorry to be the one who has to point this out, but Muslims aren't blameless victims of European aggression, no matter how hard they try to make themselves appear that way. And no one is going to accept that narrative, so try another.

There no country called North African.

 

[FearGod]

The Cologne attacks on new years.

When you say attack, then it means it was planned for.

That's a pretty big conspiracy theory. So thousands of people, many of whom were of North African and Arab descent, decide to go around sexually assaulting people in order to stir up resentment of refugees? How ridiculous.

Thousand(S),OMG
Did you count them?

 

[Debater Slayer]

And the Egyptian who rape feels that he has the right to rape, as long as women wear immodestly.
Is that the middle eastern values.

The people who blame women for wearing "immodestly" are certainly numerous in the Middle East, so I would say that this kind of mentality has sadly become a part of Egyptian culture. There is a reason Egypt has one of the highest rates of sexual harassment in the world.

In Egypt there're millions wearing sexy dresses, so how many victims in Egypt every day?

Most Egyptian women have experienced or will experience sexual harassment in their lifetime. I don't have an exact figure concerning the number of rape victims, however, since rape is severely under-reported in Egypt because many people in Egypt consider it a "scandal" for the victim for some reason.

Middle Eastern culture in general has some extremely backward, outdated views. This is just one of them.

 

[gsa]

There no country called North African.

No, but there are countries that go by the names of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia.

I mean, is this your rebuttal? If you offer this weak sauce against the people who really want to do you in, you're screwed. All that I am saying is that Europe is not going to overlook their shared characteristics. Primarily, Islam, its cultures (PLURAL), and poverty. You can shout about it all you want, that's just reality. Right now the Europeans are saying that this was not coordinated, which just makes the actions more terrifying to the average European citizen.

 

[9Westy9]

When you say attack, then it means it was planned for.

Yes. From the BBC article "About 1,000 young men - many of North African or Arab appearance - are believed to have arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women."

Thousand(S),OMG
Did you count them?

Reports say there were about 1,000 men.

 

[FearGod]

The people who blame women for wearing "immodestly" are certainly numerous in the Middle East,

Did you really make a research or do you have a statistic of people's opinions in Egypt?

Most Egyptian women have experienced or will experience sexual harassment in their lifetime. I don't have an exact figure concerning the number of rape victims, however, since rape is severely under-reported in Egypt because many people in Egypt consider it a "scandal" for the victim for some reason.

Middle Eastern culture in general has some extremely backward, outdated views. This is just one of them.

Sexual assault is everywhere not only in Egypt or in the middle east, even some presidents of western countries have
being accused of sexual assault against the employed women in their offices.

 

[Father Heathen]

It appears that many Europeans are terrified that, by acknowledging the consequences of culture clash, it would make them appear "racist", so they downplay these occurrences of rape, assault, harassment, etc.

 

[FearGod]

Yes. From the BBC article "About 1,000 young men - many of North African or Arab appearance - are believed to have arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women."

Reports say there were about 1,000 men.

So that means it was planned, and not because of the values.

 

[gsa]

It appears that many Europeans are terrified that, by acknowledging the consequences of culture clash, it would make them appear "racist", so they downplay these occurrences of rape, assault, harassment, etc.

Yes, this is true. But only for now. They may downplay the cultural issues today, but tomorrow they'll deal with it. Which is why it is much better to address this now, before the solution is left to Europe's more...problematic side.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Did you really make a research or do you have a statistic of people's opinions in Egypt?

What makes you think I don't know about the culture of my own country--you know, where I live and constantly hear people's opinions on different subjects first-hand?

Sexual assault is everywhere not only in Egypt or in the middle east, even some presidents of western countries have
being accused of sexual assault against the employed women in their offices.

That doesn't change the fact that Middle Eastern culture makes justifications for sexual assault based on things like clothing and public conduct.

 

[Father Heathen]

Iran, aha you mean Islam.

So lets say because of Islam the refugees like women's buttocks.

Men like women's buttocks, but it is within a culture where men don't respect women or their rights that said buttocks are grabbed without consent.

 

[FearGod]

No, but there are countries that go by the names of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia.

I mean, is this your rebuttal? If you offer this weak sauce against the people who really want to do you in, you're screwed. All that I am saying is that Europe is not going to overlook their shared characteristics. Primarily, Islam, its cultures (PLURAL), and poverty. You can shout about it all you want, that's just reality. Right now the Europeans are saying that this was not coordinated, which just makes the actions more terrifying to the average European citizen.

Are there refugees from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia in Germany?

 

[FearGod]

What makes you think I don't know about the culture of my own country--you know, where I live and constantly hear people's opinions on different subjects first-hand?

Yes, you have thousands of friends.

That doesn't change the fact that Middle Eastern culture makes justifications for sexual assault based on things like clothing and public conduct.

Not true, i didn't hear the same thing in my country, so speak about yourself and not the whole middle east.

 

[FearGod]

Men like women's buttocks, but it is within a culture where men don't respect women or their rights that said buttocks are grabbed without consent.

No culture will allow this to happen.

 

[gsa]

Are there refugees from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia in Germany?

Yes.

Have you actually read the coverage? Moroccans are way overrepresented among the Cologne rapists.

 

[9Westy9]

So that means it was planned, and not because of the values.

Sure it was planned. However, that doesn't mean that they don't hold negative values of women

 

[Debater Slayer]

Yes, you have thousands of friends.

No, but I don't have to be friends with someone to hear their opinion or observe cultural beliefs and trends.

Not true, i didn't hear the same thing in my country, so speak about yourself and not the whole middle east.

How many rape victims report it to the authorities where you live?

 

[Debater Slayer]

ISIS is supported by the "West" to make Islam look bad. Refugees can't hold negative values because of their culture; the assault was planned to make refugees look bad. Middle Eastern culture doesn't make justifications for sexual assault and harassment by blaming women; those are just rumors. Islamic terrorists don't exist; they are non-Muslims claiming to be Muslims.

A lot of Middle Eastern people are "putting their thorn in someone else's back of the head," as an Egyptian idiom goes.