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Charlie Hebdo hatecartoonist stops doing what he did

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Typist

Active Member
gsa said:
They were doing religious parody cartoons well before the murders, and their circulation wasn't very high at that point.
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Yes, I agree, they hadn't succeeded yet, which is why they kept poking anybody they could find with a stick, to create controversy, to build audience, sales and ad revenues. It's just the standard media business model taken to a fatal extreme.
 
gsa

gsa

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Typist said:
Yes, I agree, they hadn't succeeded yet, which is why they kept poking anybody they could find with a stick, to create controversy, to build audience, sales and ad revenues. It's just the standard media business model taken to a fatal extreme.
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I do not think that is really what is going on with Charlie Hebdo. The entire point of the publication was to be provocative, from inception as a successor to a banned publication in 1970 to the end of its first run in 1981, and resurrection in 1991 to the present day. To the extent that it has always had that model, of using provocative cartoons to lampoon authority figures, sure. But there was no escalation involved here, just a reaction on the part of some Islamists who cannot handle being the subject of the same criticism that is frequently directed at other religious authorities in the West.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Servant_of_the_One1 said:
Charlie Hebdo's Luz to stop drawing Muhammad cartoons - Al Jazeera English

Like i said in the past iam not supporting paris attacks and neither this perversion of freedom of expression.
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Well, like it or not, the cartoonists in question were made into martyrs for the cause of satirical freedom. I'm happy that they got the award, not because I support the cartoons themselves in any way morally/ethically, but I think it is important to show how uneven the scales are. The most important lesson from all of this is CARTOONS ARE NEVER A JUSTIFICATION FOR VIOLENCE. The world should get together and stress that message above all others.
 
Kirran

Kirran

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Should we be congratulating the Muslims who shot up the Charlie Hebdo offices for managing to convince these people to stop drawing some pictures?

The entire thing is a tragedy, and a testament to how strongly held and widely promulgated certain ideas are within the breadth of interpretations, philosophies and political ideologies which constitute Islam as she is practiced.
 
T

Typist

Active Member
gsa said:
The entire point of the publication was to be provocative,
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Almost all media outlets rely on drama to build audience and ad revenues. Charlie just took the same old business model far enough that it got them killed. There's nothing noble about it, it's just another cynical business model driven by greed.
 
Servant_of_the_One1

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
Kirran said:
Should we be congratulating the Muslims who shot up the Charlie Hebdo offices for managing to convince these people to stop drawing some pictures?

The entire thing is a tragedy, and a testament to how strongly held and widely promulgated certain ideas are within the breadth of interpretations, philosophies and political ideologies which constitute Islam as she is practiced.
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I think the hatecartoonist made smart decision. Why should he die for just 1.600 euros a month? Also he came to realize what he is doing is rape of freedom of expression. It has nothing to do with freedom of expression.
 
The Emperor of Mankind

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Servant_of_the_One1 said:
I think the hatecartoonist made smart decision. Why should he die for just 1.600 euros a month? Also he came to realize what he is doing is rape of freedom of expression. It has nothing to do with freedom of expression.
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Pretty ironic (and extremely disgusting) that you're using the term rape to describe what he's allegedly to freedom of expression considering you're engaging in the same ploy as rapists: victim-blaming. Nobody forced those murderous terrorists to act - they made their own choices every step of the way and if you had half a shred of human decency in you you'd recognise that. The cartoonists did not deserve what happened to them, nor did they have it coming.

They didn't draw the Mohammed cartoons because they hate Islam any more than CH 'hate' the Catholic Church or right wing French politicians. They (Charlie Hebdo) are there to challenge bad ideas. And has been demonstrated by your disgusting attitude it's quite obvious that the arrogant belief of many Muslims that non-Muslims should conform to their religion's rules of 'Don't depict Mohammed' is one of the worst ideas floating around.
 
gsa

gsa

Well-Known Member
Typist said:
Almost all media outlets rely on drama to build audience and ad revenues. Charlie just took the same old business model far enough that it got them killed. There's nothing noble about it, it's just another cynical business model driven by greed.
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If you think that Charlie Hebdo is functionally equivalent to skin mags and slasher flicks, I think that you are mistaken.
 
NewGuyOnTheBlock

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
Don't be so quick to shout "coward" or defeat. In the article, it clearly states that the cartoonist simply doesn't want to draw Muhammad. In fact, this artist also stopped drawing Sarkozy. So far, there is no evidence to support that Charlie Hebdo will stop satires of Muhammad; only that Luz, the artist, will not be the one who draws it.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's a shame he quit. You can't defeat terrorism by giving in. That is how they win.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Servant_of_the_One1 said:
Is it freedom of expression if i insult your mother? Draw her in very shameful way?
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The thing is, I'm mature enough to not go bat **** crazy and hurt and kill over things like tha. People say nasty things. That's why we call them "people." I'm sure you love your prophet. However, I should not be bound to the laws of your religion. The Quran is not a book that is free of criticism, and Muhammad himself is not free from criticism either. I know Islam does not turn people violent, but if I want to draw Muhammad, or Christ, or Krishna, or Gautama, or Cthulhu, I should be free to do so, with full freedom to depict him anyway I want. If it offends you, oh well. Religious laws should only apply to those who believe in that religion. If someone breaks them or offends your religion, no one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to indulge.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Servant_of_the_One1 said:
Let say someone insults your mother of child and tells u freedom of expression gives him that right?
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Depending on what the criticism was for (my mom was emotionally abusive, and she is overbearing when interacting with others, so there is indeed lots of room for criticisms and insults), I probably wouldn't care. There is a chance I would know that that person may not be worth my time, and rather than waste energy and effort focusing on them and letting it consume me, I'd just let it pass and move onto better things.
 
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