Charlie Hebdo to attack Muslims again

[stvdv]

There are more violence in the Bible, then in the Qur'an

You missed the point

 

[stvdv]

There are people I refer to as Paranational Psychopaths.
In every country.
Professing every religion, or political allegiance.
Sickeningly wealthy.

True. These can't be changed that easy
That is another problem then I pointed out

 

[Howard Is]

No that is not true, if any, it is the American war on Muslims that created hate, not Islam or Muslims.

Are you saying that there is no history of violence between Sunnis and Shias before US interaction ?

Do you know much about the war between Sunnis and Shias ?

How many Iraqis who died in the war with the US were actually killed by other Iraqis ?

How many Muslims have ISIS killed ?

How many Muslims have the Taliban killed ?

How does that compare to interdenominational bloodshed between Christians in the US or Europe ?

 

[Howard Is]

I paint a lot my self, but would never try to depict Muhammad, Jesus or other spiritual leaders.

I am quite happy to have my saviour depicted....

 

[kiwimac]

I do not know, because I have never seen it.
There is today not good to draw or paint Muhammad so that is what I speak about.

Start here:

And then:

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Just as none muslim nutjobs could be crazy enough to kill. What is your point?

That the millions of jihadi nutjobs are united by their motivation which they find in islam.
And that you are saying that we should change our behaviour to accomodate for those islamist nutjobs.
As if artists in the west "are to blame" for triggering those nutjobs.

It's like saying that women shouldn't wear tight dresses, because it triggers rapists. As if the woman is at fault for "provoking" the rapist.

It's a despicable defeatist and cowardly position.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Let the prophet answer your question

The Promise to St. Catherine: "This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

Quoted from
http://www.ptwf.org/images/pdf/peace/Prophet Muhammads Promise to Christians.pdf

Tell it to the saudi's or any other islamic country where you will NOT be safe and secure if you go around preaching christianity to muslims.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Islam does not espouse terrorism and suicide bombings. That's not part of the religion.

The almost endless list of islamic militias that do exactly that, while justifying it with a quran, suggests otherwise.

Look, it's not like such islamist groups are the exception... There are hundreds and hundreds of them. All glorifying holy war and martyrdom in the most gruesome of ways. Sure, by and large they are a minority, but quite a sizeable one. Far to big to wave them away as having nothing to do with the religion.

Now, if we lower the bar a bit and also include those people who do not join such groups, but who have some level of support or sympathy for them, we quickly get into double digit percentages.

We could lower the bar a bit further and also include those people and nations who fully support "internal" barbarity like execution of gays, stoning "adulterers" (including rape victims), amputation of hands/feet of thieves, execution for blasphemy, execution for apostacy etc, and the number keeps on rising and rising.

Clearly there are things in Islam that inspire such gruesome barbarity and violence.

Just so you know, christianity used to be not so different. The text of the bible didn't change - the people did. To the point where these days, in most civilized nations, all those horrible bits in the bible are blatantly ignored and not even taught anymore. Yet some of those things still turn up quite oftenly, like with the homophobia in the US and alike.


Considering all of the above, I can only call it "being in denial" when people say that it has nothing to do with the religion. Clearly that isn't true. The trends, the amount of militia's, the level of sympathy, the internal barbaric "laws" and punishments,... they can't simply be cast aside and ignored.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Er, no. Religions have these things called teachings and doctrines that we can observe over history to see if a theological viewpoint was ever normal.

If it were that simple, there wouldn't be 30.000 denominations of christianity alone.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No that is not true, if any, it is the American war on Muslims that created hate, not Islam or Muslims.

What war on muslims?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I don't believe for a second that it was Muslims behind 9/11 that was America them selvs.

lol....... owkay then.

Denial, much?

 

[oldbadger]

Things were different then although the police don't mess about when violence is involved

The conservatives have pledged to ditch the human rights act for starters

Your right to healthcare is being eroded as the nhs is being sold off.

Thats a good start

Wowa there! .....
Which Human Rights Act?
We retired our Human Rights Act when we adopted the EU legislation, now we have drop that and renew our own legislation. You have probably got the wrong end of that stick, I think.

Our NHS healthcare has been under seige because of the virus, but increasing waiting times are not Boris's fault just now. I'm not a conservative but I'll not knock 'em until I see 'em with hammer and bolster, attacking our NHS.

I don't think you offered much there.

 

[oldbadger]

You can't have hand guns even in dedicated ranges. However rifles are ok. And can be carried off range so long as they are covered. Its tricky though

Hang on. Rifles and shotguns can be used in many open spaces, not just ranges.
You just need the licence and the need for one.

Handguns? It's great that handguns are banned, but not all of them are.
If you love shooting handguns and live in England/Wales you can obtain a black-powder permit and licence for a black-powder pistol.

A friend, shooting champion, had a car accident. When the police arrived he did the right thing and advised he had 4 rifles in the boot. Reinforcements were immediately called including the local armed squad and a helicopter before he could explain he was going to s competition in Lancaster.

Bit slow on the old communications there, was he?
He must have been.
Was anybody hurt in the crash? Helicopter?
Was he looking for a surprised reaction..... withholding the licences and venues for effect? Went wrong, did it?

 

[FearGod]

Tell it to the saudi's or any other islamic country where you will NOT be safe and secure if you go around preaching christianity to muslims.

Don't blame Islam if Muslims don't follow its teachings.
Compare how Islam changed the region when Europe was in the dark ages
and Spain became the center of knowledge for the west when Islam reached Europe.

 

[ChristineM]

Wowa there! .....
Which Human Rights Act?
We retired our Human Rights Act when we adopted the EU legislation, now we have drop that and renew our own legislation. You have probably got the wrong end of that stick, I think.

Our NHS healthcare has been under seige because of the virus, but increasing waiting times are not Boris's fault just now. I'm not a conservative but I'll not knock 'em until I see 'em with hammer and bolster, attacking our NHS.

I don't think you offered much there.

No you didn't, tiz you with the wrong end of the stick. One of the reasons for brexit was to dump the human rights act, which incidentally, britain wrote.

There are several articles about it here
conservative s to ditch human rights act in uk - Google Search

The nhs nhs been under threat since before i left the UK with profitable departments bring sold off to Virgin etc the rest being drastically underfunded
Grace Blakeley: The Tories claim the NHS is not for sale – the truth is, it's already been sold

 

[ChristineM]

Hang on. Rifles and shotguns can be used in many open spaces, not just ranges.
You just need the licence and the need for one.

Correct. But must be covered of range, a country estate, pheasant or clay pigeon shoot is classed as a rang. Try carrying one uncovered in public and see the result.

Handguns? It's great that handguns are banned, but not all of them are.
If you love shooting handguns and live in England/Wales you can obtain a black-powder permit and licence for a black-powder pistol.

Try getting a licence for a glock or beretta

Bit slow on the old communications there, was he?
He must have been.

Went wrong, did it?

Ignorant sarcasm ignored

 

[FearGod]

The almost endless list of islamic militias that do exactly that, while justifying it with a quran, suggests otherwise.

Look, it's not like such islamist groups are the exception... There are hundreds and hundreds of them. All glorifying holy war and martyrdom in the most gruesome of ways. Sure, by and large they are a minority, but quite a sizeable one. Far to big to wave them away as having nothing to do with the religion.

Now, if we lower the bar a bit and also include those people who do not join such groups, but who have some level of support or sympathy for them, we quickly get into double digit percentages.

We could lower the bar a bit further and also include those people and nations who fully support "internal" barbarity like execution of gays, stoning "adulterers" (including rape victims), amputation of hands/feet of thieves, execution for blasphemy, execution for apostacy etc, and the number keeps on rising and rising.

Clearly there are things in Islam that inspire such gruesome barbarity and violence.

Just so you know, christianity used to be not so different. The text of the bible didn't change - the people did. To the point where these days, in most civilized nations, all those horrible bits in the bible are blatantly ignored and not even taught anymore. Yet some of those things still turn up quite oftenly, like with the homophobia in the US and alike.


Considering all of the above, I can only call it "being in denial" when people say that it has nothing to do with the religion. Clearly that isn't true. The trends, the amount of militia's, the level of sympathy, the internal barbaric "laws" and punishments,... they can't simply be cast aside and ignored.

Who created Taliban and Alqa'eda?
ISIS already exposed and their job was to destroy Syria and Iran for the benefit of Israel,
actually Israel was caught while helping the ISIS fighters in Syria, does it make sense for you!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Don't blame Islam if Muslims don't follow its teachings.

Well, they certaintly get their rules and laws from somehwere, don't they?
And there seems to be a very clear theme in islamic theocracies.

Compare how Islam changed the region when Europe was in the dark ages
and Spain became the center of knowledge for the west when Islam reached Europe.

And then compare how that same Islam plummeted the islamic world in a dark age where they are still stuck in. Today, a single ivy league western university puts out more scientific papers annually then the entire middle east combined.

Go look at the list of nobel prize winners and count how many muslims are on there.

If you wish to attribute the islamic world's golden age, which lasted about 3 centuries only, to Islam, then you should be fair and also attribute the 10 centuries that followed after that to it.

But I bet you only attribute it to islam when it's a positive story, right?
When it sounds good, it's islam, if not it's due to something else.

Or otherwise put: "heads I win, tails you lose".

 

[McBell]

Or otherwise put: "heads I win, tails you lose".

I much prefer "Count The Hits,Ignore The Misses"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Who created Taliban and Alqa'eda?
ISIS already exposed and their job was to destroy Syria and Iran for the benefit of Israel,
actually Israel was caught while helping the ISIS fighters in Syria, does it make sense for you!

Keep telling yourself that.

I assure you that none of the "shariah4belgium" people, the recruiting organization of ISIS fighters in belgium, were agents of Mossad.




These conspiracies never cease to amaze me. The length people will go to, simply in an effort to not see what is right in front of their eyes..............