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[Revoltingest]

Ahh... so parents have the right to send them to their room but not the right to be involved in life and death decisions. Makes perfect sense!

If parents would decide on death or maiming for
their children, then the state should prevent it.
Consider this...you'll agree that their rights over
their children have reasonable limits.

 

[Truth in love]

Is it moral and the right thing to do, to allow a child that has gotten pregnant to give birth to a child?

Is children having children acceptable within your religion? Why or why not?

Do the Gods care whether or not Children are raped and forced to give birth in ways that may damage them for the rest of their lives?

In general when an unmarried women is pregnant Adoption is strongly encouraged if mom and dad don’t have much chance to marry and care for the child.

This typically puts JR in a great home and gives mom time to grow and to be stable before trying to raise a child. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea but it works out well most of the time.

 

[SomeRandom]

It's pretty simple really. Go see a doctor and ask him if it's possible for the baby to be delivered.
If it's impossible, that's the only situation where the fetus could be removed to save the girls life.

So you are in favour of abortion to save the life of a pregnant person?
Just for clarification sake?

 

[Revoltingest]

In general when an unmarried women is pregnant Adoption is strongly encouraged if mom and dad don’t have much chance to marry and care for the child.

This typically puts JR in a great home and gives mom time to grow and to be stable before trying to raise a child. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea but it works out well most of the time.

In the real world, unwanted children don't all have this
envisioned optimum outcome. As Levitt & Donohue
showed in their research, such children are more likely
to be criminals.
I don't base my being pro-abortion on such outcomes.
It's strictly bodily autonomy of the pregnant woman.

 

[Truth in love]

In the real world, unwanted children don't all have this
envisioned optimum outcome. As Levitt & Donohue
showed in their research, such children are more likely
to be criminals.
I don't base my being pro-abortion on such outcomes.
It's strictly bodily autonomy of the pregnant woman.

So kids who are mistreated often far poorly. In general children adopted at birth do a bit better then kids raised by bio parents (likely some selection factors here, no unwanted or surprise adoptions and screenings for some problems and you have to be a bit well off to afford an adoption).

Now the kids who are abused, traumatized and then placed for adoption they struggle a lot no two ways about it.

 

[Revoltingest]

So kids who are mistreated often far poorly. In general children adopted at birth do a bit better then kids raised by bio parents (likely some selection factors here, no unwanted or surprise adoptions and screenings for some problems and you have to be a bit well off to afford an adoption).

Now the kids who are abused, traumatized and then placed for adoption they struggle a lot no two ways about it.

Whatever the mechanisms involved, they showed
that making abortion legal resulted in reduced
crime down the road (as fewer unwanted childern
matured).

 

[Truth in love]

Whatever the mechanisms involved, they showed
that making abortion illegal resulted in reduced
crime down the road (as fewer unwanted childern
matured).

Less abortion = less crime. Sounds like a win win.

 

[Revoltingest]

Less abortion = less crime. Sounds like a win win.

I posted the opposite of what I intended.
(Fixed now....I think.)
Stupid brain!
This thing never came with an owner's manual.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So you are in favour of abortion to save the life of a pregnant person?
Just for clarification sake?

I'm in favor of whatever medical procedure is necessary to save a life. If both lives can be saved that's even better.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If parents would decide on death or maiming for
their children, then the state should prevent it.
Consider this...you'll agree that their rights over
their children have reasonable limits.

But if they choose death for their unborn grandkids, apparently that's fine?

 

[Revoltingest]

But if they choose death for their unborn grandkids, apparently that's fine?

Different premises....
You: Abortion is wrong cuz the fetus has a right to life
Me: Abortion is fine cuz the fetus's rights are subordinate
to the mother's, ie, the fetus is not a person.

In the case of a child, parents do not have the right to
condemn the child to death. This is something with
universal consensus, unlike the rights of a fetus.
That's a difference that few appear to recognize.

 

[Wildswanderer]

In the case of a child, parents do not have the right to
condemn the child to death.

But that's exactly what is done to the unborn.

 

[Sand Dancer]

In general when an unmarried women is pregnant Adoption is strongly encouraged if mom and dad don’t have much chance to marry and care for the child.

This typically puts JR in a great home and gives mom time to grow and to be stable before trying to raise a child. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea but it works out well most of the time.

I just wish that adopted children didn't have higher incidences of behavioral issues. Sometimes I wonder if it would be better to keep the child in the bio parents' home and have a couple, or couples, be close friends who help raise the child.

 

[Revoltingest]

But that's exactly what is done to the unborn.

Exactly.
But the unborn are very different from the born
in so many ways, eg, being part of the mother,
not living out in the world.
It's a legal distinction I make, but you don't.
Something on the order of half the country
will agree or disagree with us. Lacking a
consensus, I say it's wrong for the anti-abortion
crowd to impose their religious beliefs about
the beginning of a life & the right to survive
upon others.
Picking a point at which life begins or legal
rights accrue is highly personal, subjective,
& arbitrary. That's not a good basis for law
with severe consequences.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm in favor of whatever medical procedure is necessary to save a life. If both lives can be saved that's even better.

Fair enough

 

[Truth in love]

I posted the opposite of what I intended.
(Fixed now....I think.)
Stupid brain!
This thing never came with an owner's manual.

Lol i fat finger a lot.

While some methods might work there are lines I won’t cross.

 

[Truth in love]

I just wish that adopted children didn't have higher incidences of behavioral issues. Sometimes I wonder if it would be better to keep the child in the bio parents' home and have a couple, or couples, be close friends who help raise the child.

It’s done at times. In general when the child is adopted at or close to birth and have no pre natal drug stuff going on they do very well.

when traumatized that hurts a lot.

 

[Revoltingest]

Lol i fat finger a lot.

While some methods might work there are lines I won’t cross.

We can agree about not killing all the poor.

 

[Sand Dancer]

In general when an unmarried women is pregnant Adoption is strongly encouraged if mom and dad don’t have much chance to marry and care for the child.

This typically puts JR in a great home and gives mom time to grow and to be stable before trying to raise a child. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea but it works out well most of the time.

Sadly, adopted kids have more behavior problems than non-adopted kids. I think there should be a way to somehow keep the child with bio parents, if possible. Maybe mentors and other adults can help.

 

[Truth in love]

Sadly, adopted kids have more behavior problems than non-adopted kids. I think there should be a way to somehow keep the child with bio parents, if possible. Maybe mentors and other adults can help.

kids adopted at birth vs kids adopted after years of abuse or neglect are very different categories.