Yep, still got a worrying problem..
What if half a billion third world people would love said legal opportunity over their current conditions?
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Children separated from illegal parents
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What if half a billion third world people would love said legal opportunity over their current conditions?
You're looking at exceptions of first world nations, not nations in general. Jus soli - Wikipedia
Anyway my point was to bring awareness to the error of stating at birth citizenship wasn't part of any policy. It clearly is.
If wishes were ponies beggars would make a precedental case and not a 'logical argument.'
Anyway my point was to bring awareness to the error of stating at birth citizenship wasn't part of any policy. It clearly is.
Now adding slippery slope fallacy to the pile, I see.
Absolutely agree! The real, essential -- I'd even say "quite obviously" essential -- issue of any decent or moral importance in this case is so clearly the issue of the liberal ploy to obscure everything with their heinous smoke and mirror names for things!
Took some pretty darn sharp insight to see that, though! I'll certainly say that! And thank our nation's gods that conservatives never perpetrate these same horrors upon us! It's bad enough that liberals do it. It would be so much worse if conservatives were also less than perfect! Got to hand it to you, your reasoning is air-tight and your anger is righteous and justified!
Apparently the organ I hit
has nothing but sarcastic bile to excrete. Sorry folks.
You are just prime sass today. <3
You got me there! You certainly did! Anyone can plainly see my sarcasm had far and away fewer points of any real substance to it than your deeply meaningful and well supported metaphor. Don't know how I'd ever be able to genuinely top you! Especially for the telling way you habitually say so much with such in no way merely misleading metaphors.
No, I seriously think you either forget or don't know why we have immigration rules in the first place.
Do you have due process for asylum seekers?
I don’t see how that question is even pertinent to my comment. I was pointing out how way too many from Africa, Central America, Middle East, Asia, etc. would prefer to live in America over their current living conditions.
Please, answer it anyway. Indulge me. I am interested in how you view this.
Should asylum seekers be granted due process before their children are ripped away from them?
I'll indulge you.
I am not an expert on asylum law but I do believe people should be treated humanely obviously. Now, it the system gets swamped I can understand how messes will occur.
And I also think 'ripped away' is a misleading term. The parents can take the children with them back to their home country as I understand it.
So we agree that every effort should be made to treat people humanely. Yes, sometimes terrible things do happen. But it should not be policy to be inhumane.
I don’t think “ripped away” is in anyway misleading. There are stories of infants being taken from their mothers while they are breastfeeding.
And no, I don’t believe they can just turn around and go home. First I don’t think the U.S. authorities would allow that. And second in many cases they have fled their homes for a reason! They cannot go home!
Hold on . Can you show me evidence that a parent is not ALLOWED to leave the country with their child.
SkepticThinker
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Isn't that what Obama was doing with Catch and Release?
I don't think that is what is happening. They are being forcibly separated with no options given.
Are you serious? Is this how you think it works? If someone is suspected of trying to cross the boarder illegally you think they can just turn around and leave?
Even a liberal commie pinko softy like me knows they they can’t just allow that. “oops, you caught me, I guess I will have to try again tomorrow “.
Don’t get me wrong, sometimes they do let people go (less often under the current administration, but it still happens), but it is not up to the suspect to just decide to leave.
Do you really think that if they could just turn around they would opt to go into detention centres? Do you think these parents would let their children be taken from them if they could just turn around and go back the way they came? Is that what you think?
And if they are opting for this, can you imagine what it must be like it for them where they came from?
There already are opportunities for immigrants to come legally. So they already have no excuse to endanger children by attempting to come in illegally with them.
Wait a minute. It’s that the parents want the kids to stay even though they (the parents) can’t. The US can not keep children from leaving with their parents. And why would the US want to. But the US also can’t force children seeking asylum to leave for humanitarian reasons.
OK, if a parent gets arrested for anything they are de facto separated from their children temporarily. The process can then work itself out.