Audie
Veteran Member
Enjoy free ride freedoms while criticizing the guarantor.
Status quo is far from regardless. It's because of.
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China Places Country Dangerously Close To US Warship
- Thread starter lukethethird
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Status quo is far from regardless. It's because of.
lukethethird
unknown member
International waters - Wikipedia
This topic is not about international waters folks. see map of international waters.
lukethethird
unknown member
When has the US respected another country's sovereignty?
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lukethethird
unknown member
Is the US and its Nato lackys, like Canada and Latvia, merely exploiting differences between China and Taiwan to further their own interests?
The old and tiresome "saving lives" canard.
USA defense of China in WW2 is more significant than
being one of the countries to send troops into China,
which wasn't to take over the country....as China did
in Tibet, & plans to do to Taiwan.
Your view echoes that of many USA liberals who seek
any mis-reading of history to justify self denunciation.
I don't provide evidence for claims I don't make.
I spoke of our allies being under threat.
Read more carefully.
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I think what gets me about US policies is that they're never really that consistent or coherent with any stated set of principles. I mean, if China truly is some malignant, dangerous, aggressive power, then why do we continue to do business with them? We've been pretty cozy with them for the past few decades, even while some people warned that it was not such a good idea. The free trade addicts and outsourcers threw caution to the four winds.
Decades earlier, Nixon was able to capitalize on the Sino-Soviet split, which ended with the collapse of the USSR. We thought the Cold War had ended, so should our leaders from back then be ashamed at being hoodwinked and fooled by China and Russia?
Is this question actually a claim that USA
respects no other country's sovereignty?
But if not rhetorical, & it's a real question,
then last Tuesday, USA respected Canuckistan's,
Iceland's, & New Zealand's sovereignty.
lukethethird
unknown member
Yes, we are in agreement on that.
Well, as I said, these are different events, yet you're trying to lump all together into a confusing mash. Why not just deal with one event at a time?
Are you privy to the Chinese plans to take over Taiwan? They've been threatening to take over Taiwan since 1949. You'd think if they were that set on taking it, they would have done so by now. Are they ever going to actually do it? Are US forces supposed to remain on alert in perpetuity, just because China might attack Taiwan?
I see it more as taking a candid and practical look at world affairs. I don't believe in "evil empires." Whatever other leaders and countries do, they do so for their own selfish reasons, just as we do. That's just realpolitik; it's the way the world works. All the talk about defending the free world and making the world safe for democracy is just so much pablum for the masses (which is the kind of sweet talk that gets even liberals to go along with it).
My view is that we should approach foreign policy honestly and realistically, not strewn with tons and tons of BS.
I was speaking of the U.S. ability to threaten their territory compared with their ability to threaten U.S. territory. You initially challenged that in post #33, which appeared to be an implied claim that their threat towards us is as same as or greater than our threat towards them. If it wasn't that, then your response was a non-sequitur.
That said, where is your evidence of our allies being under threat? We've had a standoff for 70+ years now, and if they are/were such a threat, then why have we been doing business with them? What's that all about? Even despite Tibet, the cultural revolution, Maoism, helping our enemies in Korea and Vietnam, and even after the Tiananmen Square massacre, there were still numerous US capitalists all too willing to jump into bed with them. That doesn't appear to be actions of those who would believe that they are a severe threat. I would submit that as evidence that the leadership of the U.S. does not view China as any kind of threat, because if they did, they would take more decisive action against the kinds of things which have been going on (such as spy balloons and other espionage activities). If they are a threat, then it's exceedingly foolish to allow them that much latitude on US soil while saber-rattling close to theirs.
So, again, realpolitik. If they really are a threat, then we treat them as such, and if we're too afraid to do that, then we are going to have some problems.
Audie
Veteran Member
We don't expect you or luke#3
to be able to.
"We"?
Audie
Veteran Member
You are not even trying to be sensible
lukethethird
unknown member
We, as in the product of a US propaganda machine that would have some believe that the American dream is alive and well.
Oh, gawd.
It seems you either don't read
or don't understand my posts.
No point responding to that
wall of text.
Audie
Veteran Member
Maybe you could do better with Luke,
who seems to think I am an american
There are some posters with whom productive
discussion is just difficult to achieve. We can't
speculate about all the reasons....rules, ya know.
If you can't come up with a counterargument, then why not just admit it? There's no need for these kinds of dramatics.
lukethethird
unknown member
I know you are not American, but you seem to think that they are the guardians of international waters, which is unrealistic and not how the world works. Corporate interests are protected, beyond that other countries are at their mercy.