China to rewrite the Bible and the Quran to further Sinicize religion

[74x12]

Nope. My post was dead-on accurate. You just hate the fact that your religion is responsible for much of the evil in the world.

It is as if... there was no actual god to police who is, and who is not, a Genuine Christian©.

Yeah whatever that's nice. But If you're not going to be logical or honest with yourself I can't help you.

 

[Stevicus]

Anyone pushing western religion is engaged in cultural
imperialism. It is a really simple thing.
Dont try to hide it in a fogbank.

I think when it comes to the West and imperialism (whether it's military, cultural, economic, or nationalistic), we probably do have a lot dark pages in our history - and it's really not even entirely over yet. But to be honest, I would have thought there would be greater resistance to Western cultural imperialism in terms of popular culture, such as movies, music, styles, fashion, etc. Religion seems like it would take a back seat to some of the more blatant examples of cultural imperialism which seem evident on a global scale.

However, those who push Western religion - I don't get the sense that they're working on behalf of the government. That is, I don't see any geopolitically-related ulterior motive behind it. Many might be true believers who genuinely believe they're on a mission from God to convert people to their religion.

That's not something I would choose to do, because I don't really believe in God (but I still like to argue about the hypothetical possibilities sometimes). But I guess some people just feel a certain "calling" to go out into the nations and preach the gospel and spread the "good news." I try not to read too much into that, but to say it's "imperialism" seems a bit of a stretch. At least not in this day and age. Admittedly, there were some older colonial empires which were strict monarchies and forced all of their subjects to follow the same religion. The Spanish Empire was particularly notorious in that regard, what with their Spanish Inquisition which nobody ever expected.

But fortunately, it's not like that anymore.

 

[Audie]

I think when it comes to the West and imperialism (whether it's military, cultural, economic, or nationalistic), we probably do have a lot dark pages in our history - and it's really not even entirely over yet. But to be honest, I would have thought there would be greater resistance to Western cultural imperialism in terms of popular culture, such as movies, music, styles, fashion, etc. Religion seems like it would take a back seat to some of the more blatant examples of cultural imperialism which seem evident on a global scale.

However, those who push Western religion - I don't get the sense that they're working on behalf of the government. That is, I don't see any geopolitically-related ulterior motive behind it. Many might be true believers who genuinely believe they're on a mission from God to convert people to their religion.

That's not something I would choose to do, because I don't really believe in God (but I still like to argue about the hypothetical possibilities sometimes). But I guess some people just feel a certain "calling" to go out into the nations and preach the gospel and spread the "good news." I try not to read too much into that, but to say it's "imperialism" seems a bit of a stretch. At least not in this day and age. Admittedly, there were some older colonial empires which were strict monarchies and forced all of their subjects to follow the same religion. The Spanish Empire was particularly notorious in that regard, what with their Spanish Inquisition which nobody ever expected.

But fortunately, it's not like that anymore.

There are a lot of aspects to it. American interference in
China’s internal affairs (see “ support Christian rights”)
has an aspect to it that is not acceptable.

Re missionaries, most Chinese who listen to them
are doing English practice, not spiritual guidance.

 

[Stevicus]

There are a lot of aspects to it. American interference in
China’s internal affairs (see “ support Christian rights”)
has an aspect to it that is not acceptable.

Re missionaries, most Chinese who listen to them
are doing English practice, not spiritual guidance.

Well, yes, America has a track record of interfering in China's internal affairs, even before the Boxer Rebellion, which also involved other nations, not just America. And we were allies with China during WW2, so our relationship hasn't always been bad. Of course, when Mao took over, our relationship went sour again, but Nixon, charming fellow that he was, somehow managed to warm relations again.

In terms of what's going on right now, I don't know what would constitute direct interference in China's internal affairs. Obviously, we can't send in troops like we did in the old days, so our options are extremely limited if we really wanted to interfere in China's internal affairs. Congress can pass resolutions just like they pass articles of impeachment and just like Trump can pass gas. But it doesn't really have that much power (although I can't say about Trump passing gas).

 

[danieldemol]

True. But What Goes Around, Comes Around. I think that one thing Christians fear the most, in the US? Is that once they are no longer the Majority Power? Everyone else will Remember-- and treat them with the exact contempt that they treated non-christians for hundreds of years.



Did I make a Judgement? Oh My! You are projecting your own attitude here-- very Christian Privilege: You don't want to be treated like you treat non-christians!

How Ironic.

Not everyone you don’t like is a Christian

 

[Twilight Hue]

China to rewrite the Bible and the Quran to further Sinicize religion | Tibetan Review

China has called for a “comprehensive evaluation of the existing religious classics aiming at contents which do not conform to the progress of the times” and it has been understood to mean that the Bible and the Quran should be rewritten by “re-translation”. The order was issued during a meeting in Nov 2019, reported dailymail.co.uk Dec 24.

The order was given in November during a meeting held by the Committee for Ethnic and Religious Affairs of the National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, which oversees the ethnic and religious matters in China, the report said.​

The Chinese version should be interesting reading.

 

[wellwisher]

China to rewrite the Bible and the Quran to further Sinicize religion | Tibetan Review

China has called for a “comprehensive evaluation of the existing religious classics aiming at contents which do not conform to the progress of the times” and it has been understood to mean that the Bible and the Quran should be rewritten by “re-translation”. The order was issued during a meeting in Nov 2019, reported dailymail.co.uk Dec 24.

The order was given in November during a meeting held by the Committee for Ethnic and Religious Affairs of the National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, which oversees the ethnic and religious matters in China, the report said.​

I see this as a compromise. It will allow more religious freedom in China, while also protecting the authority of the Big Brother State. Currently, the Chinese would openly discourage and even persecute those who practice Christianity and other foreign religions. In the further, the compromise is going to become a state accepted, watered down version of the major world religions. This is a step forward in terms of religious freedom.

In my experience, very few Christians have read the entire bible, yet most can still practice the faith based on summaries. If a few chapters were missing or sentences gone, only the scholarly would notice. They could retain these with underground bibles from the West. But the message of faith is not lost and the anger of the state is appeased.

 

[Audie]

Well, yes, America has a track record of interfering in China's internal affairs, even before the Boxer Rebellion, which also involved other nations, not just America. And we were allies with China during WW2, so our relationship hasn't always been bad. Of course, when Mao took over, our relationship went sour again, but Nixon, charming fellow that he was, somehow managed to warm relations again.

In terms of what's going on right now, I don't know what would constitute direct interference in China's internal affairs. Obviously, we can't send in troops like we did in the old days, so our options are extremely limited if we really wanted to interfere in China's internal affairs. Congress can pass resolutions just like they pass articles of impeachment and just like Trump can pass gas. But it doesn't really have that much power (although I can't say about Trump passing gas).

I brought up cultural imperialism in connection with
one of our heroes of the faith talking about supporting
Christians in China, against the government.

He nor anybody else has any business messing with
the internal affairs of another nation.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yeah whatever that's nice. But If you're not going to be logical or honest with yourself I can't help you.

Irony Post is Ironic. Moreover? How much of an ego does someone need, to assume anyone would want help from them in the first place? The Spanish Inquisition has never been Legal in the USA, after all...

 

[Audie]

Irony Post is Ironic. Moreover? How much of an ego does someone need, to assume anyone would want help from them in the first place? The Spanish Inquisition has never been Legal in the USA, after all...

Haha, the last freakin' thing I'd want would be the
kind of "help" our hero would offer.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Not everyone you don’t like is a Christian

Yeah.... so? Contrariwise, a lot of people I DO like ARE Christians. They just aren't NAZIs or trying to bring back the Spanish Inquisition.

And they don't want to force a twisted, ugly version of christianity onto everyone under penalty of the Law, if rebuffed.

Tell me-- are YOU against Marriage Equality?

 

[Audie]

I see this as a compromise. It will allow more religious freedom in China, while also protecting the authority of the Big Brother State. Currently, the Chinese would openly discourage and even persecute those who practice Christianity and other foreign religions. In the further, the compromise is going to become a state accepted, watered down version of the major world religions. This is a step forward in terms of religious freedom.

In my experience, very few Christians have read the entire bible, yet most can still practice the faith based on summaries. If a few chapters were missing or sentences gone, only the scholarly would notice. They could retain these with underground bibles from the West. But the message of faith is not lost and the anger of the state is appeased.

SINCE nobody here knows anything about what the
proposed revisions would look like, its a bit previous to
be get all worked up about it.

 

[Stevicus]

I brought up cultural imperialism in connection with
one of our heroes of the faith talking about supporting
Christians in China, against the government.

He nor anybody else has any business messing with
the internal affairs of another nation.

Yeah, but if they didn't do that, then they'd have to take a long, hard look at America and work on solving our domestic problems. But nobody seems to want that. Just as Dire Straits said in "Industrial Disease": "They're pointing out the enemy to keep us deaf and blind."

It's a shame that our government has chosen to use other countries as proxies to keep the American people under control, but that's what it really comes down to. It's a vicious cycle, as people vote in these kinds of politicians because they're afraid of the rest of the world.

Drumming up fear of China is relatively easy. A lot of people already routinely accuse the US government of conspiracies involving China; some believe the Chinese already have a fifth column here in America and that there are spies everywhere. It may sound paranoid, but there are people who really believe this. Of course, any Americans who do business with China are also suspect.

 

[Audie]

Yeah, but if they didn't do that, then they'd have to take a long, hard look at America and work on solving our domestic problems. But nobody seems to want that. Just as Dire Straits said in "Industrial Disease": "They're pointing out the enemy to keep us deaf and blind."

It's a shame that our government has chosen to use other countries as proxies to keep the American people under control, but that's what it really comes down to. It's a vicious cycle, as people vote in these kinds of politicians because they're afraid of the rest of the world.

Drumming up fear of China is relatively easy. A lot of people already routinely accuse the US government of conspiracies involving China; some believe the Chinese already have a fifth column here in America and that there are spies everywhere. It may sound paranoid, but there are people who really believe this. Of course, any Americans who do business with China are also suspect.

Concocting foreign "threats" is as old as the hills, I suppose.

As a Chinese citizen living in the USA and attending
U as a science student,, I was more than a little aware of the
spy issue.

Which, honestly, is a problem of dimensions known only
to Beijing.

 

[oldbadger]

The Chinese version should be interesting reading.

Absolutely. If the Chinese researchers start out with the earliest manuscripts and commence with transliteration of their own, they might well end up with a totally differing account, closer to the real picture?

 

[danieldemol]

Yeah.... so? Contrariwise, a lot of people I DO like ARE Christians. They just aren't NAZIs or trying to bring back the Spanish Inquisition.

And they don't want to force a twisted, ugly version of christianity onto everyone under penalty of the Law, if rebuffed.

Tell me-- are YOU against Marriage Equality?

No I’m not

ETA a link on gay rights in China Public push to legalise same-sex marriage in China

‘Although China decriminalised homosexuality in 1997, and officially removed it from its list of mental illnesses in 2001, same-sex marriage remains illegal.

In recent years, censors have muted discussions on the topic on social media, banned the portrayal of homosexuality in films and even prevented the selling of rainbow-themed items online.

LGBT CRACKDOWN

In April, a Beijing court dismissed an appeal against recently-enforced rules by the national media watchdog which ban gay content on film and television and describe homosexuality as "abnormal".’

 

[74x12]

Irony Post is Ironic. Moreover? How much of an ego does someone need, to assume anyone would want help from them in the first place? The Spanish Inquisition has never been Legal in the USA, after all...

... You repeated someone else's ridiculous and childish post about irony. But it doesn't change any facts.

All you're doing is defending China's abuse of human rights but somehow I'm the inquisition? More non-logic. What you can't seem to realize is that the evil is not in Christianity or even in communism. It's in everyone if they let it be there. And it's in you; that's why you support the persecution of defenseless people in China.

There are many people who aren't necessarily doing anything at all themselves but stand by idly and support such things as concentration camps and inquisitions etc. All in the name of various ideologies but the evil is the same.

But by all means keep talking (please) so everyone can see how unreasonable you are.

 

[Wu Wei]

Not directed at anyone, but some numbers and some facts.

1. Population of China is about 1.4 billion
2. the majority are Han Chinese at about 1.3 billion
3. 0.45% to 2.85% of the total population is muslim
4. The Government controls the media so for those of that 1.4 billion that see the news, get only what the government tells them. As far as many of them are concerned there is no issue because what they see on the news tells then other wise, if it tells them anything at all.
5. The Government monitors all social media so you get nothing there either

So before we all go off and condemn over 1 billion folk for doing nothing, many of them have no idea what is really going on. You see Muslim interment camps, they are told terrorists. That kind of thing.

But there is something else here to take into account. The government controls "ALL" media outlets. So with all news out of China you have to ask yourself "Why did this story get out?" "And where does it really come from?" So every news story out of China could either be true, a distraction so they can do something else they really do not want the world to know about, or both.

 

[Audie]

... You repeated someone else's ridiculous and childish post about irony. But it doesn't change any facts.

All you're doing is defending China's abuse of human rights but somehow I'm the inquisition? More non-logic. What you can't seem to realize is that the evil is not in Christianity or even in communism. It's in everyone if they let it be there. And it's in you; that's why you support the persecution of defenseless people in China.

There are many people who aren't necessarily doing anything at all themselves but stand by idly and support such things as concentration camps and inquisitions etc. All in the name of various ideologies but the evil is the same.

But by all means keep talking (please) so everyone can see how unreasonable you are.

As applied to you, there is no need for more.

But by all means keep talking (please) so everyone can see how unreasonable you are

 

[Audie]

Not directed at anyone, but some numbers and some facts.

1. Population of China is about 1.4 billion
2. the majority are Han Chinese at about 1.3 billion
3. 0.45% to 2.85% of the total population is muslim
4. The Government controls the media so for those of that 1.4 billion that see the news, get only what the government tells them. As far as many of them are concerned there is no issue because what they see on the news tells then other wise, if it tells them anything at all.
5. The Government monitors all social media so you get nothing there either

So before we all go off and condemn over 1 billion folk for doing nothing, many of them have no idea what is really going on. You see Muslim interment camps, they are told terrorists. That kind of thing.

But there is something else here to take into account. The government controls "ALL" media outlets. So with all news out of China you have to ask yourself "Why did this story get out?" "And where does it really come from?" So every news story out of China could either be true, a distraction so they can do something else they really do not want the world to know about, or both.

Smarter than the average bear.