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Is Religious Faith a Choice

  • Yes it is!

    Votes: 16 34.8%
  • No it is not!

    Votes: 10 21.7%
  • Yes and No, I can explain.

    Votes: 18 39.1%
  • I am Undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I offer Quotes from a Faith to demonstrate.

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • I offer my thoughts of faith in response.

    Votes: 4 8.7%

  • Total voters
    46

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Spirit prision, hell, it doesn't change my point that each sect had strong beliefs about what will happen to other denominations?
The fire brimstone hell is more of a middle ages creation. Judaism had no real afterlife until it borrowed the myths from the Greeks - "Early Judaism had no concept of hell, although the concept of an afterlife was introduced during the Hellenistic period, apparently from neighboring Hellenistic religions"
And my point is that in Mormonism, someone who lived his life as a Hindu, a Buddhist or even as an atheist has every bit as much chance of ending up in a very, very good place as a Mormon does. And being a Mormon is definitely not a guarantee of anything.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
And my point is that in Mormonism, someone who lived his life as a Hindu, a Buddhist or even as an atheist has every bit as much chance of ending up in a very, very good place as a Mormon does. And being a Mormon is definitely not a guarantee of anything.
My original point was that different religions vastly disagree on theology and doctrine. So your post simply backs my point up. Some Christian Hells are fire, some are metaphorical, Mormon hell is also different, yet another point of disagreement. That was my point.

Again, concepts of an afterlife were not a part of religious theology largely until the Hellenistic revolution where they decided people have souls and they can be fallen and redeemed and return to "heaven". Judaism did not share this belief until they too were occupied by the Greeks and went through a Hellinization of their own. Savior demigods going through a passion heaven, souls, all Greek that Hebrew religious leaders slowly adopted into their theology because it was popular. This also influenced Christianity because the Jewish religion wanted their own savior demigod. So those are Greek/Pagan concepts. Not likely any more true than Zeus and Herecles.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
..concepts of an afterlife were not a part of religious theology largely until the Hellenistic revolution where they decided people have souls and they can be fallen and redeemed and return to "heaven". Judaism did not share this belief until they too were occupied by the Greeks and went through a Hellinization of their own..

I don't think that is true.

According to the New Testament the Pharisees believed in the resurrection of the dead, but it does not specify whether this resurrection included the flesh or not. According to Josephus, who himself was a Pharisee, the Pharisees held that only the soul was immortal and the souls of good people would be resurrected or reincarnated and "pass into other bodies," while "the souls of the wicked will suffer eternal punishment." Paul the Apostle declared himself to be a Pharisee before his belief in Jesus Christ.
-wiki-

Regards the belief of Sadducees, they were generally held to have rejected any existence after death.
..so we see that there are / were many different sects with varying beliefs.

You suggest that Jews didn't believe in an afterlife before being hellenised, but I would dispute that.
It is purely an unfounded assumption.

You need to be a student of Torah and associated texts, to understand why the majority of Jews today believe in an afterlife.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
My original point was that different religions vastly disagree on theology and doctrine. So your post simply backs my point up. Some Christian Hells are fire, some are metaphorical, Mormon hell is also different, yet another point of disagreement. That was my point.
Okay. Yeah, different religions have different doctrines.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Okay. Yeah, different religions have different doctrines.

Yet those given of God all teach the same core values. The image that every human being is created in.

It is to those values we can turn to be as one people on one planet.

Regards Tony
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Yet those given of God all teach the same core values. The image that every human being is created in.

It is to those values we can turn to be as one people on one planet.

Regards Tony
Absolutely, but it has to be a joint effort to really work. So many people are determined to focus on what divides us rather than what unites us.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
..So many people are determined to focus on what divides us rather than what unites us.

Yes .. that would be satan. he is present in all of us, to some extent. he causes us to be arrogant. he intentionally misleads us. he causes "divide and rule" due to our love of wealth and power.

..and so much more. he knows God better than we do, as he is a "fallen" being. he is crafty and dangerous.

Yet, ALL Power Belongs to God. satan can not harm us without God's permission. We must stay close to God to whom all praise is due!
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
I don't think that is true.

According to the New Testament the Pharisees believed in the resurrection of the dead, but it does not specify whether this resurrection included the flesh or not. According to Josephus, who himself was a Pharisee, the Pharisees held that only the soul was immortal and the souls of good people would be resurrected or reincarnated and "pass into other bodies," while "the souls of the wicked will suffer eternal punishment." Paul the Apostle declared himself to be a Pharisee before his belief in Jesus Christ.
-wiki-


Sigh. Paul is from the times after the 2nd Temple Period. Way after. By this time Persian beliefs about resurrection and Greek ideas about heaven and souls had been merged into Judaism and emerging Christianity for over a century?
Did you just disagree with Sanders and Wright and go "I don't think so"???????????? are we past the age of science now, is it all what people "think"?

Regards the belief of Sadducees, they were generally held to have rejected any existence after death.
..so we see that there are / were many different sects with varying beliefs.

You suggest that Jews didn't believe in an afterlife before being hellenised, but I would dispute that.
It is purely an unfounded assumption.

You need to be a student of Torah and associated texts, to understand why the majority of Jews today believe in an afterlife.

Another sigh. I've been studying this only from peer-reviewed scholarship. I did post work from 2 biblical scholars so your assessment of it being an "assumption" is a bit weak? There is actual evidence of Hebrew beliefs from the OT as well as changes that happened during the 2nd Temple Period? So where does this "assumption" thing come from?

Actual students of Torah (like Rabbi Tovia Singer) also say that Christianity is Pagan. Demigods who. Claim to be God are not Jewish concepts. I'm baffled why you think only people who are Torah scholars can understand basic concepts?

In Hebrew cosmology Heaven was only for God. After the 2nd Temple Period the beliefs in souls that can go to heaven were blended into Judaism.

"In line with the typical view of most Near Eastern cultures, the Hebrew Bible depicts Heaven as a place that is inaccessible to humans.[" - Hundley


"There is almost no mention in the Hebrew Bible of Heaven as a possible afterlife destination for human beings, who are instead described as "resting" in Sheol."

One or two humans were taken to Heaven as an exception.
Then with Hellenism comes heaven for everyone.


Second Temple Judaism[edit]
During the period of the Second Temple (c. 515 BC – 70 AD), the Hebrew people lived under the rule of first the Persian Achaemenid Empire, then the Greek kingdoms of the Diadochi, and finally the Roman Empire.[47] Their culture was profoundly influenced by those of the peoples who ruled them.[47] Consequently, their views on existence after death were profoundly shaped by the ideas of the Persians, Greeks, and Romans.[48][49] The idea of the immortality of the soul is derived from Greek philosophy[49] and the idea of the resurrection of the dead is derived from Persian cosmology.[49] By the early first century AD, these two seemingly incompatible ideas were often conflated by Hebrew thinkers.[49] The Hebrews also inherited from the Persians, Greeks, and Romans the idea that the human soul originates in the divine realm and seeks to return there.[47] The idea that a human soul belongs in Heaven and that Earth is merely a temporary abode in which the soul is tested to prove its worthiness became increasingly popular during the Hellenistic period (323 – 31 BC).[40] Gradually, some Hebrews began to adopt the idea of Heaven as the eternal home of the righteous dead.[40]


This is from Sanders and Wrights work but is also echoed in Fransesca Stravopolous work and other OT scholarship.

What you are assuming are historical lies put to the general public by the Church. Study actual history (not apologetics) and you too can have this information.


Hellenistic religion - the main points that are related to modern religious beliefs...


"Each (religion prior to being Hellenized) persisted in its native land with little perceptible change save for its becoming linked to nationalistic or messianic movements (centring on a deliverer figure).
and apocalyptic traditions (referring to a belief in the dramatic intervention of a god in human and natural events) ...
his led to a change from concern for a religion of national prosperity to one for individual salvation, from focus on a particular ethnic group to concern for every human. The prophet or saviour replaced the priest and king as the chief religious figure.
(It wasn't just Judaism that was Hellenized. Petra Pakken has a book that details all the religions in that period that were Hellenized in a similar way)

...The first (or inner circle) was composed of devout, full-time adherents of the cult for whom the deity retained a separate and decisive identity (e.g., those of Yahweh, Zeus Serapis, and Isis).

The dominant feature of the concluding period of Hellenistic influence—and shortly thereafter—was the rapid growth of Christianity throughout the Roman Empire, culminating in the conversion to Christianity of the emperor Constantine in 313 and the religious legislation of the emperor Theodosius affirming in 380 the dogmas of the Christian Council of Nicaea—...

.....and it was this primordial act of salvation that was renewed and reexperienced in the cult.


They strove to regain their place in the world beyond this world where they truly belonged, to encounter the god beyond the god of this world who was the true god, and to awaken that part of themselves (their souls or spirits) that had descended from the heavenly realm by stripping off their bodies, which belonged to this world.


Other deities, who had previously been associated with national destiny (e.g., Zeus, Yahweh, and Isis), were raised to the status of transcendent, supreme deities whose power and ontological status (relating to being or existence) far surpassed the other gods,...


hese techniques for achieving ascent or a divine epiphany make up the bulk of the material that has usually been termed magical, theurgic (referring to the art of persuading a god to reveal himself and grant salvation, healing, and other requests), or astrological and that represents the characteristic expression of Hellenistic religiosity.


Rather than an expression of the alternation of life and death, of fertility and sterility, and a celebration of the promise of renewal for the land and the people, the seasonal drama was homologized to a soteriology (salvation concept) concerning the destiny, fortune, and salvation of the individual after death. The collective agricultural rite became a mystery, a salvific experience reserved for the elect (such as the Greek mystery religion of Eleusis). Other traditions even more radically reinterpreted the ancient figures. The cosmic or seasonal drama was interiorized to refer to the divine soul within man that must be liberated. -"

If one read this article before Christianity you could literally predict how the religion would emerge if you combine these ideas with OT theology. This is exactly what Mark did, using Paul, the OT and a few other sources.

So older versions of agricultural cycles were replaced with salvation of the soul and getting into Heaven. Christianity is one big Hellenized religion.

Prior to Hellenism people were not religious to get into an afterlife. That wasn't a thing. People didn't go to church, they just participated in cultic acts to gain favors like good weather. There was a popular saying that translated into something like "Before I was here I didn't care, now I am here, after I am gone I won't care anymore"
There is a lecture by Bart Ehrman that explains this in detail I can link to. So these are in fact Greek ideas blended into other religions. Savior demigods and afterlife entry are Greek myths.
 
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joelr

Well-Known Member
Okay. Yeah, different religions have different doctrines.

Yes they do but we can also trace the similar myths back to common sources. Heaven and hell are Persian and Hellenized religious concepts that through religious syncretism entered Judaism. Before that period the Israelites believed Heaven was only the home of God and was directly above us in outer space.
The fire and brimstone hell mainly comes from later sources like Dante. In the OT Satan was an agent of God. During the Persian occupation Satan became more like the Persin version of the devil, a being at war with God.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Yet those given of God all teach the same core values. The image that every human being is created in.

It is to those values we can turn to be as one people on one planet.

Regards Tony


Many fundamentalists preach being gay is wrong. Some liberal religious people say the opposite. Many different religions say their God is the only real God. Some preach eternal hell some say it's a metaphor. Some say you need a savior to get to heaven. Paul says women should remain silent in church (unless speaking a prophecy) and some Christians agree some don't.

Radicalized sects of modern religions also feel they are following the word of God. They will go to war over their beliefs. Until we move past superstition we will never be one people.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Yes they do but we can also trace the similar myths back to common sources. Heaven and hell are Persian and Hellenized religious concepts that through religious syncretism entered Judaism. Before that period the Israelites believed Heaven was only the home of God and was directly above us in outer space.
The fire and brimstone hell mainly comes from later sources like Dante. In the OT Satan was an agent of God. During the Persian occupation Satan became more like the Persin version of the devil, a being at war with God.
Okay, I'm not sure how you're trying to direct me to respond. I have no real argument with you.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The science teachings owned no teaching whatsoever.

Rational human advice I was taught science a human choice was wrong.

So family says I was first origin human natural one group status.

Not religion and not science.

So if you don't agree today you have not yet learnt. Less son.

Pretty basic just human advice.

Human taught this study...by a new world order?

No.

By natural cooling survival after being irradiated the new cause introduced was to be irradiated. Cooling effect advised why attacked.

Ignored human advice.

We survived life sacrifice the teaching.

So God O owns heavenly state to record cloud images.

Clouds humans taught was the God Satan angel first gigantic mass kept us safe. In state the heavens only.

Humans live in water oxygenated state.

We remembered once science destroyed life. Satan advice.

So never change gods Satan clouds the advice.

Yet man did change holy Satan cloud protection.

Introduced AI again.

So water mass that we owned as life got abducted.

New cloud mass had to form Jesus event.

So now Satan and Jesus clouds kept us safe.

Our water spirit natural oxygenated not destroyed sacrificed taken into clouds. Rain a new saviour flooding caused.

Our water spirit image held in the presence of God our life spirit oxygenated water was not gods status cloud image in heavens.

Why we taught no man is God. God kept holy man's water holy life safe below clouds.

Was exact. No man was ever God a state.

Ignored by men who want our first spirit not only to be just a black image but then cloud images before human life. As a thesis string.

Yet sperm and ovary in two human bio presences created us.

Information a lesser body before our own is a living ape. Is not a cloud.

Men in science are liars by theism.

Claim looking directly at the form energy using the word energy said it was human. No comparison whatsoever.

So when humans teach the concept what is human lying they meant it observed.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Many fundamentalists preach being gay is wrong. Some liberal religious people say the opposite. Many different religions say their God is the only real God. Some preach eternal hell some say it's a metaphor. Some say you need a savior to get to heaven. Paul says women should remain silent in church (unless speaking a prophecy) and some Christians agree some don't.

Radicalized sects of modern religions also feel they are following the word of God. They will go to war over their beliefs. Until we move past superstition we will never be one people.
The theme is first. Why had a human become gay?

The answer as gods heavenly protection had changed.

The human recorded advice had changed. It happened as I observed it.

Change means was changed

Owns no God relativity as God should not have changed its heavenly supported image was a teaching of relativity.

Not a new reason to harm a changed human again.

Why the teaching a huge advice of variations owns concluded Sion.

Conclusions.

All human babies which we all are... are innocent in and with God by imaged caused conditions. Feed. Feedback and interference caused by AI.

Science changed our heavens cloud protection by nuclear causes.

Science also studies the changes as direct advice for science thesis let me do it myself. Thesis calculus numbers.

Why old homosexual behaviour has greatly been observed diversified in today's nucleation of life.

A teaching only reason of caused was changed. Yet God never changed the clouds condition had.

God always remains as it's origin state. To record vision.

Without clouds non of life would exist as it keeps life protected. So you cannot theory about it not existing which science had.....beginning with stone theories as stone is not any cloud mass.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Okay, I'm not sure how you're trying to direct me to respond. I have no real argument with you.
You brought up an afterlife concept and my response is to investigate the historicity of where these ideas came from. No argument. If that's not for you then I understand.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
After life is not before life.

Is a human answer.

As humans living tell the stories.

Science says as the state science. Before my life as a lesser being is an ape. Scientific living human statement.

Hence science says you are not allowed to argue natural observations.

Science however then used you are not allowed to argue unnatural observations gained by machines is an outright liar.

What science itself states.

Science he says is non arguable.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Did you just disagree with Sanders and Wright and go "I don't think so"???????????? are we past the age of science now, is it all what people "think"?

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
-Daniel 12-

18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

-Isaiah 26-

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

-Ezekiel 37-

Prior to Hellenism people were not religious to get into an afterlife. That wasn't a thing. People didn't go to church, they just participated in cultic acts to gain favors like good weather. There was a popular saying that translated into something like "Before I was here I didn't care, now I am here, after I am gone I won't care anymore"
There is a lecture by Bart Ehrman that explains this in detail I can link to. So these are in fact Greek ideas blended into other religions. Savior demigods and afterlife entry are Greek myths.

I understand what you are saying..
However, generalising about what was happening during the couple of centuries
before John the Baptist & Jesus was born, does not mean that
the "belief in an afterlife" originated with the Greeks. That is, as I have said, purely an assumption. An incorrect one, imo.
 
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joelr

Well-Known Member
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
-Daniel 12-

18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

-Isaiah 26-

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
-

Right this backs up what is known about Jewish beliefs? Sheol, out of the grave, they did not have the belief of fallen souls who redeem themselves and then get to heaven by belief in a savior demigod?

"In line with the typical view of most Near Eastern cultures, the Hebrew Bible depicts Heaven as a place that is inaccessible to humans.[34] Although some prophets are occasionally granted temporary visionary access to heaven, such as in 1 Kings 22:19-23,[35] Job 1:6-12[36] and 2:1-6,[37] and Isaiah,[38] they hear only God's deliberations concerning the Earth and learn nothing of what Heaven is like.[30] There is almost no mention in the Hebrew Bible of Heaven as a possible afterlife destination for human beings, who are instead described as "resting" in Sheol.["





I understand what you are saying..
However, generalising about what was happening during the couple of centuries
before John the Baptist & Jesus was born, does not mean that
the "belief in an afterlife" originated with the Greeks. That is, as I have said, purely an assumption. An incorrect one, imo.

It is not an assumption? We have vast historical knowledge that most Christian theology started in Greek and Persian religions. Both cultures occupied Israel and it is known for a fact that they had a great impact on Hebrew thinkers. One reason was the Persian emissary was kind to Hebrew leaders and allowed exiled Kings to return from Babylon and re-join the Israelite culture.
In the last post I detailed many of the Greek religious ideas that were becoming popular among Greek religions as Petra Pakken points out they became popular among all religions in this region. These are historical facts. Not wanting to accept them as true doesn't change history?
I didn't say belief in the afterlife started with the Greeks, I said the modern ideas we associate with Christianity did start with the Greeks. They were not in Judaism and they were in Hellenism and Persian religion.
Then after both occupied Israel they were now in the Hebrew theology as well?


Wright, J. Edward (2000), The Early History of Heaven
Sanders, E. P. (1993), The Historical Figure of Jesus,
Petra Pakkanen, Interpreting Early Hellenistic Religion.

During the period of the Second Temple (c. 515 BC – 70 AD), the Hebrew people lived under the rule of first the Persian Achaemenid Empire, then the Greek kingdoms of the Diadochi, and finally the Roman Empire.[47] Their culture was profoundly influenced by those of the peoples who ruled them.[47] Consequently, their views on existence after death were profoundly shaped by the ideas of the Persians, Greeks, and Romans.[48][49] The idea of the immortality of the soul is derived from Greek philosophy[49] and the idea of the resurrection of the dead is derived from Persian cosmology.[49] By the early first century AD, these two seemingly incompatible ideas were often conflated by Hebrew thinkers.[49] The Hebrews also inherited from the Persians, Greeks, and Romans the idea that the human soul originates in the divine realm and seeks to return there.[47] The idea that a human soul belongs in Heaven and that Earth is merely a temporary abode in which the soul is tested to prove its worthiness became increasingly popular during the Hellenistic period (323 – 31 BC).[40] Gradually, some Hebrews began to adopt the idea of Heaven as the eternal home of the righteous dead.[40]

national God changed to supreme God, savior demigod son/daughter of main god, undergoes a passion, defeats death and gets followers into afterlife, souls that originate in heaven and return to heaven, and many other familiar aspects come from Greek religion.

a few others were in Persian religion like monotheism, God vs Satan, a coming messiah (virgin born) who will save humanity

Zoroastrianism exalts an uncreated and benevolent deity of wisdom, Ahura Mazda (Wise Lord), as its supreme being.[4] The unique historical features of Zoroastrianism, such as its monotheism,[5][6][7][8][9] messianism, judgment after death, heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems, including Second Temple Judaism, Gnosticism, Greek philosophy,[10] Christianity, Islam,[11] and the Baháʼí Faith.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Right this backs up what is known about Jewish beliefs? Sheol, out of the grave, they did not have the belief of fallen souls who redeem themselves and then get to heaven by belief in a savior demigod?
Jews don't believe in a saviour demi-god, but that is irrelevant.

It backs up what Orthodox Rabbis have been teaching for many centuries. Your claim that belief in an afterlife only started in the hellenistic era .. it is pure assumption. I have shown you verses that show eternal life and eternal contempt. The words heaven and hell do NOT have to be employed .. it is the same thing !

We have vast historical knowledge that most Christian theology started in Greek and Persian religions.
..that is true .. but not in the case of an afterlife.

Both cultures occupied Israel and it is known for a fact that they had a great impact on Hebrew thinkers..

I am not denying the existence of hellenistic Judaism. Paul of Tarsus is thought to have been influenced by hellenism, for example.
..and Philo, with his 'logos' most certainly was.

I didn't say belief in the afterlife started with the Greeks, I said the modern ideas we associate with Christianity did start with the Greeks. They were not in Judaism and they were in Hellenism and Persian religion.
Then after both occupied Israel they were now in the Hebrew theology as well?
I have no argument with that.

..By the early first century AD, these two seemingly incompatible ideas were often conflated by Hebrew thinkers.[49] The Hebrews also inherited from the Persians, Greeks, and Romans the idea that the human soul originates in the divine realm and seeks to return there.[47] The idea that a human soul belongs in Heaven and that Earth is merely a temporary abode in which the soul is tested to prove its worthiness became increasingly popular during the Hellenistic period (323 – 31 BC).[40] Gradually, some Hebrews began to adopt the idea of Heaven as the eternal home of the righteous dead.[40]

The above is problematic, in that it assumes that Jews had never believed in an afterlife before the Persians, Greeks, and Romans came along..
I understand that the Pharisees [ which evolved into modern, orthodox Judaism ] DID believe in an afterlife .. but not the Sadducees.
The reason for their belief in an afterlife could be associated with hellenism, but it is only an assumption that Jews didn't believe in an afterlife before their influence.
An incorrect one at that .. which I have demonstrated by scriptural excerpts of the Prophets in the OT.
 
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GardenLady

Active Member
In fact, I suspect that for most people, they are born into a religious tradition, which may result in faith or may not. If it does not, the most likely choice people will make is to stop practising any religion, rather than choosing a different one.

What do you mean by a different one"? I know quite a few people who grew up in one Christian denomination and ended up in another. In some cases Catholic to "mainstream" protestant (including me) and in other cases Catholic or protestant to evangelical or Pentecostal. Personally, I consider evangelical and Pentecostal denominations a different religion from "mainstream" Christian denominations, especially Oneness Pentecostals; others would disagree.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
What do you mean by a different one"? I know quite a few people who grew up in one Christian denomination and ended up in another. In some cases Catholic to "mainstream" protestant (including me) and in other cases Catholic or protestant to evangelical or Pentecostal. Personally, I consider evangelical and Pentecostal denominations a different religion from "mainstream" Christian denominations, especially Oneness Pentecostals; others would disagree.
Sure. That's what I mean by an example of a different religious tradition. My father converted to Catholicism from Methodism. My mother briefly flirted with Buddhism at university, before reverting to a fairly committed Anglicanism.

But most people don't do that: they either stick with what they were born into or they stop practising and give it up.
 
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