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Christ According To The Mormons

Sola'lor

Sola'lor

LDSUJC
Jesus is either The one and only God, second person for the blessed Trinity or he is "A" God, part of a tritheism(an acneint heresy). The concept of trinity and the concept of polytheism are two different concepts. There are two different Christs being spoken of here and only one of them can be correct. So yes LDS and Catholics worship two different Gods. LDS worship several, Catholics worship 1. We all have the same God(God created all of us and hear us) but we do not all worship the same God or the correct God, The true Jesus.
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That's odd. I'm, Mormon and I worship only one God.

athanasius said:
Here we would disagree. Jesus Christ is truth. He came to teach truth and he gave the Church the power to teach his truth. He revealed to us that he was both God and Man(Hypostatic union), second person for the blessed Trinity. God does care about truth and he really wants you to worship his correct son. Anyone can say they worship Jesus. Many preach false Christ and Jesus warned us about them. The Jw's(Jehovah's Witness) say they are Christian but they maintain that Christ has only a human nature. The problem is Jesus has both a human and a divine nature. So they are not believing in the same God or Jesus as I do. They cannot be called Christian because they do not profess the same Christ as Paul would say. They profess a false Christ and Paul warns us about that in scripture. We need to know the true Jesus is we are going to call ourselves Christians. We need to follow the real Jesus. I could say I bleeive in Jesus but that doens't make me a Christian. I have to beleive in the right Jesus. If I say Jesus's nature is that of a magical donut then I am worshiping a false Christ and I am not a Chrisitan. Likewise, If I say that Jesus is just "a" God, one of many and not The God part of the Trinity then I also beleive in a Jesus who has a different nature. A False Christ. therefore I cannot be called Christian in the formal sense.
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But I'm sure JW's believe they are worshiping the true Jesus. They can probably defend their position with scripture as well.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Of course I'd like to think I am one of the eleven living Genuine Mormons, but I am probably more of a Liberal Mormon than anything else.
 
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athanasius

Well-Known Member
Katzpur said:
I guess I am, too, Scott. When you and I pray, God hears our prayers. When Francine and Athanasius pray, God hears their prayers. There are not two different Gods listening. At any rate, when it comes to judging someone else's heart, I'd rather err on the side of caution.
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Who said I am judging someone elses heart? I am not. I am judging their doctrine. God the Trinity created everyone whether they recognize that or not. And he will judge their hearts and actions according to their ignorance and intention when it come to judgment time and deciding on who gets into heaven. I recognize that God may hear you prayers as well as mine and also as well as a aborigines tribalsman. But I also recognize that just as the tribesman may worship a false God, your Jesus is a false Christ as Paul warned about.Christians must worship the true Christ or else they are not Christians.
 
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athanasius

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Sola'lor said:
That's odd. I'm, Mormon and I worship only one God.



But I'm sure JW's believe they are worshiping the true Jesus. They can probably defend their position with scripture as well.
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You may worship only 1 God but am I incorrect in saying that you beleive in multiple Gods? The Father a God, the Son a God, the Holy spirit a God, Hence Polytheism.

The Jw's do believe they are worshiping the true Jesus. And they do try to defend their position from their own version of scripture(a horrible transliteration). But that doesn't mean that they do worship the true Jesus or have the correct interpretation of those passages.They fall out of line with the historic Christian Church that goes back to the apostles and her beliefs about Jesus.
 
Francine

Francine

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athanasius said:
The Jw's do believe they are worshiping the true Jesus. And they do try to defend their position from their own version of scripture(a horrible transliteration). But that doesn't mean that they do worship the true Jesus or have the correct interpretation of those passages.They fall out of line with the historic Christian Church that goes back to the apostles and her beliefs about Jesus.
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Mormons correctly state that Christ existed from eternity with God, but in this same doctrine of the pre-existence, we all did, in a vague amorphous way without well-formed identities. The chief error occurs when they teach there was time before Christ existed as God the Son, when his spirit was conceived by the union of the heavenly father and one of his wives.

I am open to correction if this is substantially in error.
 
TrueBlue2

TrueBlue2

Member
Francine said:
Mormons correctly state that Christ existed from eternity with God, but in this same doctrine of the pre-existence, we all did, in a vague amorphous way without well-formed identities. The chief error occurs when they teach there was time before Christ existed as God the Son, when his spirit was conceived by the union of the heavenly father and one of his wives.

I am open to correction if this is substantially in error.
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I promise to get my picture fixed tomorrow.

Francine, this IS substantially in error. Mormons and scriptures teach that God is the Father of ALL, that all of us lived as spirit children to a loving heavenly father before coming to this earth. Notice that of all the names we could reverence him by the one most frequently referred to by the savior is simply "Father." "Our Father who art in heaven..."; "glorify your Father who art in heaven"; etc. Father definitely signifies parentage, does it not? But we don't know the details beyond that. Revelation is very discreet on the subject as it should be. But we didn't exist in a "vague amorphous way" as you state; we had individual identities, developed talents, displayed unique personalities, and watched with earnest the events transpiring on the earth.

Jesus Christ was also one of the spirit children of our Father in heaven. Again, we don't know many of the details - only that through his righteousness and devotion to his Father that he became "greater than us all", became a member of the Godhead, helped create this earth, and was the "Jehovah" of the Old Testament. He volunteered to come to earth and fulfill the Father's plan by making himself a ransom for all, and overcoming the effects of the fall of Adam.

While Catholic doctrine states that God himself condescended and manifested himself in the form of Jesus, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that Jesus Christ became the ONLY BEGOTTEN son of the Father in the flesh. Multiple scriptures validate this claim, and it is obvious that Christ recognized, not Joseph, but the God of heaven as his father. Luke 1:34-35 explains how this was accomplished and that is ALL we know about it.

Hope this clarifies!
 
Francine

Francine

Well-Known Member
TrueBlue2 said:
Again, we don't know many of the details - only that through his righteousness and devotion to his Father that he became "greater than us all", became a member of the Godhead, helped create this earth, and was the "Jehovah" of the Old Testament.
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Here is the unbridgeable gulf between Catholicism and Mormonism. To Catholics, the Divine is that which is logically necessary...that is, God is a being who cannot not exist. Such a being must be immutable, containing its own perfection a priori, without the capacity for any kind of change, particularly a change which results in greater power. We must propose the existence of such a being as the explanatory cause for all things which are created.

Creation is the set of all contingent things, which means it is possible to conceive of reality without the existence of some or all of those things. It is utterly incoherent to say logically contingent things can become logically necessary things. Only contingent things have the capacity to change and grow. In your assertion above, you say that Christ became great enough to join the Godhead...in other words a being that at one point did not exist becomes a being that cannot not exist. Under axioms which are accepted by Catholics, that simply doesn't make sense.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Francine said:
Mormons correctly state that Christ existed from eternity with God, but in this same doctrine of the pre-existence, we all did, in a vague amorphous way without well-formed identities.

I am open to correction if this is substantially in error.
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Good. I'm glad you are. Allow me.

Jesus Christ was the Only Begotten Son of God. He existed as God's Word in the beginning. We did not exist in the beginning, but the light and truth from which He created our spirits did.

The chief error occurs when they teach there was time before Christ existed as God the Son, when his spirit was conceived by the union of the heavenly father and one of his wives.
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say he was "conveived by the union of the heavenly father and one of his wives," but that is certainly not something you would ever hear taught in an LDS worship service. Presumably you are referring to the belief that we have a Mother in Heaven. That is correct. We do.
 
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