Christ Has returned, what should have we looked for?

[Neb]

Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí, a Persian Shi'ite who was thrown in prision as a follower of the Bab (Elijah, John) was 'Annointed' (Christ) Bahaullah in that prison when the Maid from Heaven descended upon Him (Sound Familiar!) This is recorded and can be read.

” (Sound Familiar!)” Copycat, plagiarism, piracy, theft is what I see here.

All Prophecy has been fulfilled by Baha'u'llah who God Named Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí.

As already said no man can do this and by chance fulfill all Prophecy. It can only be the Truth.


Regards Tony

“But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.” Deuteronomy 18:20

 

[Neb]

We have been given less than a hundred years for each of us to use the eye of our heart to see.


One hundred years in and eternity is a flash, a twinkiling.


One has to rise above understanding scripture using limited Material senses and see the Spirit in the Words.


Regards Tony

]Paul was talking about the “RAPTURE” here. "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." -1 Corinthians 15:52

You can harmonize this verse with these verses.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" -1Thessalonians 4:16

"then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." -1Thessalonians 4:17

It's very clear that on Christ 2nd coming, Christians will be “be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” -1Thessalonians 4:17

It did not specifically say that it was Baha’u’llah who would come for the 2nd time.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

christ will come when the sun and earth will be destroyed so that a new world will arise.

Which is exactly what happened. These were a Spiritual Events unfolding in a material way that need to be considered.

If you beleive in Christ, you already interpret the Torah as having mainly Spirirual Fulfillment in Jesus of Nazareth.

The Jews offered this level of rejection.

To reject Baha'u'llah, who fulfills all Biblical and other Scriptures in both a Material and Spiritual way, without a thourough and just look at what He has offered, is to again reject Christ as the Jews have done.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is NO other conclusion here, but if you insist they are prophets of the God of the Bible then you must read this if they really qualify as the true prophets of the God of the Bible: “But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.” Deuteronomy 18:20

Baha'u'llah has Fulfilled this Passage just as Muhammad and Christ did before Him. Baha'u'llah speaks of One God as did Christ and Muhammad. Christ did not Die, Muhammad did not Die, Baha'u'llah did not Die.

The Spirit gives life, the flesh amounts to nothing.

They have World Faiths with their Name, a Name that brings us all to our One God in the 'Spirit of Faith'.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David

From Scripture you have been given this answer already, this answer can never be proved False as it is the Truth;

1559. Bahá’u’lláh was a Descendent of Abraham Through Both Katurah and Sarah—Jesse, Son of Sarah, was the Father of David and Ancestor of Bahá’u’lláh

"Regarding your question concerning the Jesse from whom Bahá’u’lláh is descended: The Master says in 'Some Answered Questions', referring to Isaiah, chapter 11, verses 1 to 10, that these verses apply 'Word for word to Bahá’u’lláh'. He then identifies this Jesse as the father of David in the following words: '…for Joseph was of the descendants of Jesse the father of David…', thus identifying the Jesse of Isaiah, chapter 11, with being the father of David. Bahá’u’lláh is thus the descendant of Jesse, the father of David.

"The Guardian hopes that this will clarify the matter for you. It is a tremendous and fascinating theme, Bahá’u’lláh's connection with the Faith of Judaism, and one which possesses great interest to Jew and Christian alike." (From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, July 11, 1942)

"Regarding your question concerning the descent of Bahá’u’lláh from Abraham: The Master has stated that Bahá’u’lláh is a descendant of Abraham through a son of his, other than Isaac and Ishmael, from his wife Katurah…." (From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, March 24, 1943)

This Prophecy has been fulfilled. If you are interested to find a full Genealogy, you will find this to be so. The internet has charts that I will not use, as they have been compiled by Covenant Breakers, a few who still try with no success to split the Baha'i Faith.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You can harmonize this verse with these verses.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" -1Thessalonians 4:16

Yes I was dead in Christ.

Thank you Baha'u'llah for making me alive in Christ.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's very clear that on Christ 2nd coming, Christians will be “be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” -1Thessalonians 4:17

It did not specifically say that it was Baha’u’llah who would come for the 2nd time.

Neb, all these arguments were used against Christ.

“But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.” Deuteronomy 18:20

Lets Look at the Full Passage as this is just a warning in the middle of the rest of the advice and we can note that a True Prophet will be raised, that will speak True Prophecy;

Deuteronomy 18:18-22 "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him."

Here is a few Prophecies from the Baha'i Writings;

1. The fall from power of the French Emperor Napoleon III and the consquent loss of his empire.
2. The defeat of Germany in two bloody wars, resulting in the 'lamentations of Berlin.'
3. The success and stability of Queen Victoria's reign.
4. The dismissal of 'Ali Pasha as prime minister of Turkey.
5. The overthrow of Sultan 'Abdu'l-Aziz of Turkey.
6. The breakup of the Ottoman Empire, leading to the extinction of the 'outward spendour' of its capital, Constantinople.
7. The downfall of Nasiri'd-Din Shah, the Persian monarch.
8. The advent of constitutional government in Persia.
9. A massive (albeit temporary) decline in the fortunes of monarchy throughout the world.
10. A worldwide erosion of ecclesiastical authority.
11. The collapse of the Muslim Caliphate.
12. The spread of communism, the "Movement of the Left,' and its rise to world power.
13. The catastrophic decline of that same movement, triggered by the collapse of its egalitarian economy.
14. The rise of Israel as a Jewish homeland.
15. The persecution of Jews on the European continent (the Nazi holocause).
16. America's violent racial struggles.
17. Baha'u'llah's release from the prison of 'Akka and the pitching of His tent on Mount Carmel.
18. The seizure and desecration of Baha'u'llah's House in Baghdad.
19. The failure of all attempts to create schism within the Baha'i Faith.
20. The explosive acceleration of scientific and technological progress.
21. The development of nuclear weapons.
22. The achievement of transmutation of elements, the age-old alchemist's dream.
23. Dire peril for all humanity as a result of that achievement.
24. The discovery that complex elements evolve in nature from simpler ones.
25. The recognition of planets as a necessary by-product of star formation.
26. Space travel.
27. The realization that some forms of cancer are contagious or communicable.
28. The fruitless search for a 'missing link' between man and ape.
29. The non-existence of a mechanical ether (the supposed light-carrying substance posited by classical physics), and its redefinition as an abstract reality.
30. The breakdown of mechanical models (literal images) as a basis for understanding the physical world.

This list from Gary Matthews, The Challenge of Baha'u'llah. I suggest it is worth a read.

This link is to prophecies fulfilled from many other sources - Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage

Baha'u'llah fulfills this passage as True, no need to be afraid any more Neb!

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

What proof are you talking about? Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David? Insisting bahaullah was a descendant of David, without any proof at all, but a made-up genealogy links, is what you call dogmatism then it becomes a doctrine.

Who says it is made up genealogy? Baha'is do not make things up.

 

[Trailblazer]

Christ genealogy, in the Bible, is good enough for me. I don't have to alter, twist, adulterate anything like insisting Christ descended from King David.

Baha’u’llah genealogy, in the Baha’i Writings, is good enough for me. I don't have to alter, twist, or adulterate anything to know that Baha’u’llah descended from King David.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

There is scads of evidence for the Baha'i Faith, more evidence actually than for any other religion in history; and it is verifiable evidence, unlike evidence for the religions of the past.

If that is, indeed, the case, it does raise a very simple question: why is the Baha'i faith not the majority religion of the world? With all the "verifiable evidence," (which, by the way, I've yet to see verified), how is it even remotely possible that even marginally intelligent people would ignore it for all the unverifiable evidence all those other "religions of the past" rely on?

Religion -- everybody makes bold claims of certainty and truth, and not a single one, ever, simply stands up and says "here's the proof." And why not?

I'll leave that last question unanswered, or "open," for now, but let me assert that it is very much a closed question for me.

 

[CG Didymus]

]Paul was talking about the “RAPTURE” here. "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." -1 Corinthians 15:52

You can harmonize this verse with these verses.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" -1Thessalonians 4:16

"then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." -1Thessalonians 4:17

It's very clear that on Christ 2nd coming, Christians will be “be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” -1Thessalonians 4:17

It did not specifically say that it was Baha’u’llah who would come for the 2nd time.

So a "twinkling" equals a 100 years in Baha'i interpretation?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So a "twinkling" equals a 100 years in Baha'i interpretation?

Depends how long you live, it is this life we have been given the bounty to know and Love God by our own free will.

What is 100 years in the current age of the Universe? What is 100 years in Eternity if not a blink?

Consider this Universe and all it expanse and all we can know about it is but One Lamp of 100,000,000 Lamps. Our One sun is but a twinkle in all this as well.

Yes it is just man that thinks 100 years is a long time as they think within that frame of reference.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

If that is, indeed, the case, it does raise a very simple question: why is the Baha'i faith not the majority religion of the world? With all the "verifiable evidence," (which, by the way, I've yet to see verified), how is it even remotely possible that even marginally intelligent people would ignore it for all the unverifiable evidence all those other "religions of the past" rely on?

Religion -- everybody makes bold claims of certainty and truth, and not a single one, ever, simply stands up and says "here's the proof." And why not?

I'll leave that last question unanswered, or "open," for now, but let me assert that it is very much a closed question for me.

The main reason it is not the majority religion is because it is still very new, relative to the religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity and Islam.

Here are some other reasons the Baha’i Faith is still relatively small:

Fact #1: ALL religions start out small and grow slowly during the first two or more centuries. How many Jews became Christians in the first century?

Fact #2: Many factors influence growth rate of religion. It is not just a matter of having the internet because the internet is just as much a hindrance as it is an aid in spreading the Baha’i Faith, given there are as many or more anti-Baha’i websites as Baha’i websites.

Fact #3: Baha’is are not allowed to proselytize in an effort to convert; we are only allowed to share our Faith when asked or if it comes up in a conversation. There have never been any forced conversions as there were in Christianity.

Fact #4: The biggest obstacle to the growth of the Baha’i Faith is the fact that about 84% of people in the world already have a religion and they are happy with their religion. So there you have 84% of the world’s population, the vast majority of which are not even willing to consider the Baha’i Faith in order to determine if it is true or not. Then we have the rest of the world’s population who are agnostics or atheists or people who believe in God but dislike any religion...

Fact #5: Because most people reject the Baha’i Faith out of hand, without even knowing anything about it, many Baha’is have become so disheartened that they have given up telling people about their Faith.

In spite of all of the obstacles that are in our way, it is amazing that the Baha’i Faith has grown as rapidly as it has. Statistics show that from 1910-2010, the Baha’i Faith grew at a rate of 3.54%, whereas during that time Islam grew at a rate of 1.97% and Christianity grew at a rate of 1.32%. Growth of religion - Wikipedia

 

[CG Didymus]

Baha'u'llah has Fulfilled this Passage just as Muhammad and Christ did before Him. Baha'u'llah speaks of One God as did Christ and Muhammad. Christ did not Die, Muhammad did not Die, Baha'u'llah did not Die.

The Spirit gives life, the flesh amounts to nothing.

They have World Faiths with their Name, a Name that brings us all to our One God in the 'Spirit of Faith'.

Regards Tony

It's kind of meaningless to say Muhammad, Christ, Baha'u'llah did not die, because you mean spiritually. And everyone lives on spiritually according to Baha'is. But with Jesus there are verses that imply Jesus lives on in a physical body, and it is him that will return. So for Christians the number one thing to expect in the return of Christ is Jesus.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's kind of meaningless to say Muhammad, Christ, Baha'u'llah did not die, because you mean spiritually. And everyone lives on spiritually according to Baha'is. But with Jesus there are verses that imply Jesus lives on in a physical body, and it is him that will return. So for Christians the number one thing to expect in the return of Christ is Jesus.

Please explain how the return of Christ, the First and the Last, was not always in a Material Body?

Are not all recorded Messages from God given from a Material body?

It is placing importance on one specific body of flesh that has become the greatest veil to seeing Christ in all His Glory, a body no one would recognise, after all how many saw Christ when he First Came, even the Disciples had difficulty accepting the Christ in Jesus. Its no wonder they had to tell the story in a graphically enhanced manner to spur on those that had not seen Christ.

Christ is right next to you if you pray to Him, as are all the Mesengers from God. When we accept the Oneness this light penatrates our soul and lights both worlds.

Abdul'baha has also offered, if we call on Him for help, He will be there to aid in our inspiration.

Close your eyes to this world CG, it is darkness and material proofs of God are harder to see, the Light is what we find reflected in our Soul. We start this journey when mind uses the aid of the 'Spirit of Faith'.

Baha'u'llah just asks us to look at His Life and person and determine if he was a person that told the Truth. If we find He was, then He asks us to contemplate the Message, is it suited to this day, or is it not, does it have power to change hearts, or does it not. He also asks us to consider who would contemplate to give such a Message in their heart knowing the results of what would happen.

Remember Christ spent 40 days comming to terms with the Message He was about to give, Baha'u'llah spent 2 years in solitude. They willingly then spoke up knowing that life would never be the same and that the majority of men would reject and persecute them.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

Who says it is made up genealogy? Baha'is do not make things up.

Everyone that is not a Baha'i. We don't even have original copies of the NT, how could someone claim to have accurate records of a 19th century Persian that go all the way back to the King of Israel? Plus, one of the genealogies went further back, all the way to Adam. That assumes that Adam was the first man. And then it assumes that all people drowned that weren't in Noah's family. From Noah it goes on to Abraham, then the sons of Israel and then on to David. Is that part accurate? Did people before the Flood live hundreds of years? Was there a Flood that killed every human and animal that wasn't on the Ark? I would guess Baha'is have some symbolic explanation, yet the genealogy is accurate?

So from Abraham we need a record of someone who wandered off to Persia. We also need a descendant of David that ended up in Persia. If your genealogy is true, you should have those records. If you don't, then don't expect anyone that is not a Baha'i to believe it is not made up.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What proof are you talking about? Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David? Insisting bahaullah was a descendant of David, without any proof at all, but a made-up genealogy links, is what you call dogmatism then it becomes a doctrine.

This Link - Lineage

"Baha'u'llah's Family Line
Bible prophecy clearly states that the Messiah of the "last days" will be descended from David, the king of ancient Israel. Students of the Baha'i Faith will be interested to learn that Baha'u'llah, the Prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith, is indeed descended from both the kings of ancient Persia and from the kings of ancient Israel.

The well known early Baha'i scholar, Mirza Abu'l-Fadl, wrote that in his investigations of Baha'u'llah's family line he was impressed to learn that even the "severe and unsympathetic" critic of the Baha'i Faith Rida-Quli Khan-i-Hidayat had admitted in his book, "The Book of Ancestry", that Baha'u'llah was descended from Chosroes I, the renowned Sasananian monarch known as Adil (the Just). At another time Mirza Rida-Quli, Baha'u'llah's half brother, related to Mirza Abu'l-Fadl that their family possessed a genealogical chart which traced their family back to "Yasdigird the Sasanian" of the ancient Persian Empire.

The story of the Sasanian dynasty of kings can be easily found in the histories of ancient Persia. For example, among the genealogies published by the meticulous Moslem historian at-Tabari in his comprehensive history of prophets and kings was that of the Sasanian dynasty of Persian kings. It traces their lineage back to Sasan the Great, son of the legendary king, Bahman, and then further back to King Lohrasb, who lived shortly before the time of the Persian Prophet Zoroaster.

Of particular interest to Baha'is is at-Tabari's description of the mother of Sasan. He describes her as a descendant of the kings of Judah. At-Tabari wrote:

"the mother of Bahman's sons was the slave Rahab bint Pinchas, of the children of Rehoboam b. Solomon b. David. Bahman appointed Rahab's brother Zerubabel b. Shealtiel king over the Israelites... and returned him to Palestine, upon Rahab's request."
The details of Zerubabel's appointment allow us to unmistakably identify who Bahman really was. According to chapters 1 & 2 of the Book of Ezra the Persian king who appointed Zerubabel and ordered his return to Jerusalem was Cyrus the Great.

A Christian scholar of a later period confirmed the accuracy of at-Tabari's statement. Bar-Hebraeus who became the assistant patriarch of the Eastern Jacobite Church in Ahharbayjan wrote in 1264 AD:

"Cyrus the Persian reigned thirty one years, and conquered Iraq, Khurasan, Armenia, Syria and Palestine, and invaded India, killing their king. This Cyrus married the sister of Zerubabel, son of Shealtiel, son of Jehoiachin, son of Jehoiakim, the king of Judah. And after he married her, she became highly esteemed in his sight, and he said to her, 'Ask of me whatever you want,' so she asked for the return of the children of Israel to Jerusalem and that he grant them permission to rebuild it..."
Furthermore, it was as a result of this intermarrying of Cyrus with the offspring of David that prompted Isaiah, the great Hebrew prophet, to write: "God said to his anointed (the word "anointed" in Greek is Christ) one, Cyrus, by whose right hand I have been strengthened..."

Another Arab historian named Mas'udi, noted for his impartiality in his writings, also affirmed that the mother of Sasan was Jewish. He wrote:

"The mother of Sasan the Great was from the captured children of Israel..."
In another place at-Tabari recorded the genealogy of Sasan's mother in even more detail:

"Sasan's mother was the daughter of Shealtiel b. Jochanan b. Oshia b. Amon b. Manasseh b. Hezekiah b. Ahaz b. Jotham b. Uzziah b. Joram b. Jehoshaphat b. Abijah b. Rehoboam b. Solomon b. David..."
This genealogy of Zerubabel agrees with the one found in the New Testament. Matthew 1:6-12 clearly establishes that Sasan's mother was both a direct descendant of King David of Judah and a direct descendant of Abraham.

To conclude, Sasan the Great's father was the Persian king Cyrus the Great and his mother was Rahab, a descendant of King David. Baha'u'llah, is a direct descendant of Sasan, and as a result his ancestry from the Sasananian kings of Persia, the Davidic line of kings of Israel and from the Hebrew patriarch Abraham can clearly be demonstrated.

The Jewish prophecies further predict that this King Messiah will be descended from King David. (see: Isaiah 11)

Baha'u'llah clearly fulfills the Messianic requirements of these religions. Most of the Zoroastrians of modern Persia have already become Baha'is. When will the followers of Judaism and the other religions realize that their Promised One has already come and follow their example?"

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

Please explain how the return of Christ, the First and the Last, was not always in a Material Body?

Are not all recorded Messages from God given from a Material body?

It is placing importance on one specific body of flesh that has become the greatest veil to seeing Christ in all His Glory, a body no one would recognise, after all how many saw Christ when he First Came, even the Disciples had difficulty accepting the Christ in Jesus. Its no wonder they had to tell the story in a graphically enhanced manner to spur on those that had not seen Christ.

Christ is right next to you if you pray to Him, as are all the Mesengers from God. When we accept the Oneness this light penatrates our soul and lights both worlds.

Abdul'baha has also offered, if we call on Him for help, He will be there to aid in our inspiration.

Close your eyes to this world CG, it is darkness and material proofs of God are harder to see, the Light is what we find reflected in our Soul. We start this journey when mind uses the aid of the 'Spirit of Faith'.

Baha'u'llah just asks us to look at His Life and person and determine if he was a person that told the Truth. If we find He was, then He asks us to contemplate the Message, is it suited to this day, or is it not, does it have power to change hearts, or does it not. He also asks us to consider who would contemplate to give such a Message in their heart knowing the results of what would happen.

Remember Christ spent 40 days comming to terms with the Message He was about to give, Baha'u'llah spent 2 years in solitude. They willingly then spoke up knowing that life would never be the same and that the majority of men would reject and persecute them.

Regards Tony

My main point is that the "veil" is because the gospels and other places in the NT imply that Jesus came back to life in a body that had flesh and bone. If that's not true. Then the NT is undependable and a book of fantasy. Which to me would be fine. It was an attempt by spiritual/religious people to convince others that their prophet was special... a God/man who had conquered death. That would be perfectly okay if that is an exaggeration. I've heard that other ancient religions had similar stories of their prophets and gods coming back to life.

Now that "flesh and bone" verse comes after Jesus had supposedly died and had been raised back to life. How do Baha'is deal with that? Since everything that pertains to the resurrect Jesus is only a symbolic truth. Baha'is then believe what about those verses? You tried to come up with some symbolic meaning for flesh and bone. Well, you have to come up with the symbolic meaning of all the verses of that have appearances of the resurrected Jesus.

Instead of going to all that work, why not just say that they made the story up? They needed something stupendous to convince people to follow their new religion? But Baha'is have to pretend that the gospel writers knew that what they were writing didn't happen, but wrote it anyway. Why? Who was ever going to figure out that it was just symbolic? Instead, people that wanted to become Christians had to believe the NT was the truth. Because it had so many unbelievable things in it, the Church had to declare it "inerrant" and "infallible".

The biggest untruth about the Baha'is then becomes the notion that all religions are one. No, religions are all over the place in their beliefs. Baha'is don't believe in any religion, as practiced today, as having the truth. So Baha'is come up with "veils" "symbolic" and "spiritual" meanings, "additions" and "traditions" added into the "original" teachings, that have distorted the true teachings of God.

So what are we expecting God to do next? If we listen to Christians, things are going to get worse, and then Jesus will come back. If we listen to Baha'is, things are going to get worse until people realize that the Baha'is have the truth and a plan to fix things. Either one is still lining up with current events. Still, the one negative for the Baha'is, is that there is to be wars and rumors of wars, but that is not yet the end. Since we still have wars and rumors of wars, then I have to assume, it's not yet the end.

 

[CG Didymus]

This Link - Lineage

"Baha'u'llah's Family Line
Bible prophecy clearly states that the Messiah of the "last days" will be descended from David, the king of ancient Israel. Students of the Baha'i Faith will be interested to learn that Baha'u'llah, the Prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith, is indeed descended from both the kings of ancient Persia and from the kings of ancient Israel.

The well known early Baha'i scholar, Mirza Abu'l-Fadl, wrote that in his investigations of Baha'u'llah's family line he was impressed to learn that even the "severe and unsympathetic" critic of the Baha'i Faith Rida-Quli Khan-i-Hidayat had admitted in his book, "The Book of Ancestry", that Baha'u'llah was descended from Chosroes I, the renowned Sasananian monarch known as Adil (the Just). At another time Mirza Rida-Quli, Baha'u'llah's half brother, related to Mirza Abu'l-Fadl that their family possessed a genealogical chart which traced their family back to "Yasdigird the Sasanian" of the ancient Persian Empire.

The story of the Sasanian dynasty of kings can be easily found in the histories of ancient Persia. For example, among the genealogies published by the meticulous Moslem historian at-Tabari in his comprehensive history of prophets and kings was that of the Sasanian dynasty of Persian kings. It traces their lineage back to Sasan the Great, son of the legendary king, Bahman, and then further back to King Lohrasb, who lived shortly before the time of the Persian Prophet Zoroaster.

Of particular interest to Baha'is is at-Tabari's description of the mother of Sasan. He describes her as a descendant of the kings of Judah. At-Tabari wrote:

"the mother of Bahman's sons was the slave Rahab bint Pinchas, of the children of Rehoboam b. Solomon b. David. Bahman appointed Rahab's brother Zerubabel b. Shealtiel king over the Israelites... and returned him to Palestine, upon Rahab's request."
The details of Zerubabel's appointment allow us to unmistakably identify who Bahman really was. According to chapters 1 & 2 of the Book of Ezra the Persian king who appointed Zerubabel and ordered his return to Jerusalem was Cyrus the Great.

A Christian scholar of a later period confirmed the accuracy of at-Tabari's statement. Bar-Hebraeus who became the assistant patriarch of the Eastern Jacobite Church in Ahharbayjan wrote in 1264 AD:

"Cyrus the Persian reigned thirty one years, and conquered Iraq, Khurasan, Armenia, Syria and Palestine, and invaded India, killing their king. This Cyrus married the sister of Zerubabel, son of Shealtiel, son of Jehoiachin, son of Jehoiakim, the king of Judah. And after he married her, she became highly esteemed in his sight, and he said to her, 'Ask of me whatever you want,' so she asked for the return of the children of Israel to Jerusalem and that he grant them permission to rebuild it..."
Furthermore, it was as a result of this intermarrying of Cyrus with the offspring of David that prompted Isaiah, the great Hebrew prophet, to write: "God said to his anointed (the word "anointed" in Greek is Christ) one, Cyrus, by whose right hand I have been strengthened..."

Another Arab historian named Mas'udi, noted for his impartiality in his writings, also affirmed that the mother of Sasan was Jewish. He wrote:

"The mother of Sasan the Great was from the captured children of Israel..."
In another place at-Tabari recorded the genealogy of Sasan's mother in even more detail:

"Sasan's mother was the daughter of Shealtiel b. Jochanan b. Oshia b. Amon b. Manasseh b. Hezekiah b. Ahaz b. Jotham b. Uzziah b. Joram b. Jehoshaphat b. Abijah b. Rehoboam b. Solomon b. David..."
This genealogy of Zerubabel agrees with the one found in the New Testament. Matthew 1:6-12 clearly establishes that Sasan's mother was both a direct descendant of King David of Judah and a direct descendant of Abraham.

To conclude, Sasan the Great's father was the Persian king Cyrus the Great and his mother was Rahab, a descendant of King David. Baha'u'llah, is a direct descendant of Sasan, and as a result his ancestry from the Sasananian kings of Persia, the Davidic line of kings of Israel and from the Hebrew patriarch Abraham can clearly be demonstrated.

The Jewish prophecies further predict that this King Messiah will be descended from King David. (see: Isaiah 11)

Baha'u'llah clearly fulfills the Messianic requirements of these religions. Most of the Zoroastrians of modern Persia have already become Baha'is. When will the followers of Judaism and the other religions realize that their Promised One has already come and follow their example?"

Regards Tony

Where do you keep finding this stuff? First you come out with a flaking looking family tree and now this? But how official is this? Does it have the UHU stamp of authority on it? But, like I asked in another post, if we don't even have originals of the NT, how can we be sure these records are accurate? In fact, don't Baha'i question the authenticity of the NT? And only vouch for verses that Baha'u'llah and the others said were authoritative? So now I'm suppose to believe some research found genealogies that they can connect all the way back to David? What next? A connection to Buddha and Krishna?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Now that "flesh and bone" verse comes after Jesus had supposedly died and had been raised back to life. How do Baha'is deal with that?

I remember answering this at one other time with we can learn great spiritual truths by contemplating physical aspects of life. My thoughts were that flesh gives form and bone gives structure.

Lets go back to where it all started, remember all thoughts come from Jewish writings;

Genesis 2:23The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man."

Remember Abdul'baha has said that one interpretation of Adam and Eve, is that Adam is Man and Eve is the Soul.

Notice Eve/Soul has Bone and Flesh which we now know is describing a Spiritual Truth not a material reality.

We see more in these passages;

Ephesians 5:30 "because we are members of His body."
Ezekiel 37:6 'I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.'

It is obvious with that Ezekiel passage that we already had flesh and bone and were breathing, prior to it being put back upon us.

Regards Tony