Christ Has returned, what should have we looked for?

[TransmutingSoul]

The False Prophets have done their job very well.

A thread like this on this or any other forum mostly only attracts those that feel the need to make excluse of Christ or their Faith over all the Faiths.

Where are the Christains that pray for the return of Christ, who walk humbly with all humanity in the Love of Christ?

Voughton did say this would be so.

Know as a Baha'i no Faith is greater than another, it is the same Sun that rises abive the horizen in each age, but man has a different name for the sun and the seasons. The the Sun that has arisin in this 'Day of God', is named Baha'u'llah the Glory of God. A 'Day of God' is in this repect is the duration of the Message and is written in the Koran as a period of 1000 years.

May God bless all peoples with the Knowledge of all His Manifestations.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I will NOT STOP posting this: When you see the “glory of God” in the bible it does NOT in any way means the “glory of ullah/allah/allat” because the word “ullah/allah/allat” is NOT a “PROPER NAME” but just a translation of the word “god/s” in Arabic. The “PROPER NAME” of the “God” of the Bible is “JEHOVAH” so if you see the “Glory of God” in the Bible it means it’s the “Glory of Jehovah” and NOT the “glory of ulla/allah/allat”

Baha'u'llah was the Translation found in Bibles prior to 1870 until they were removed from circulation.

Bibles of 1833 and 1858 clearly showing BAHÁ'U'LLÁH IN REVELATION 21:23.

In the Book of Revelation of St John there is a famous passage that thrills every heart especially where It reveals that on that Day the New City will not need the sun or the moon because the light of that City will be the Glory of God. This is the passage in English and in the original Greek Re 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: [kai h polis ou xreian exei tou hliou oude ths selhnhs ina fainwsin en auth h gar doxa tou theou efwtisen authn kai o luxnos auths to arnion] Thus the City that is to Come does not need Helios [sun] nor Selenos [moon] but the Doxa [Glory] of Theos [God] is the Light of It.

There is a Tablet of Bahá'u'lláh in Persian wherein Bahá'u'lláh quotes the New Testament Passage in Arabic. And indeed in the Arabic the Glory of God that lights the City is translated as Bahá'u'lláh azaa'a feeha, i.e., literally in the Arabic of the New Testament as quoted by the Supreme Manifestation the appellation of Doxa tou Theou is Bahá'u'lláh,

This Tablet is also quoted in a compilation of Glad Tidings [Bishárat] by the late Hosaam Noghaba'ee which is available through Publishing Trusts. In the Washington Library of Congress in the Arabic new Testaments of 1833 and 1856 this servant confirmed that the passage in the Arabic NT is exactly as the Supreme Manifestation has quoted It but not in the versions after 1870!

The Photocopies of the 1833 and 1856 New Testaments are posted below;

1833

Thus the proof is supplied, Baha'u'llah is a Name in the Book of Revelation and there are Bibles that show this.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

1858

Khazeh Fananapazir - Provisional Translations and Papers

 

[Trailblazer]

Now, your Fallacy of Hasty Generalization is a non-sequitur or an invalid argument because it says in the Bible “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” - Matthew 24:5 meaning, in the Bible, there is ONLY ONE CHRIST, i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ, right?

But the Bible does not say that ALL that come in my name shall deceive many... It says that many will. Just because many were false does not mean all were false. That is the Fallacy of Hasty Generalization.

There is only one Jesus but there is more than one Christ.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yeah, you’re right, it's like saying an apple came from a banana tree or by your teachings “ye shall know them”. Your teachings or doctrines is like “a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit”

Show me anything corrupt or evil that Baha'u'llah wrote or did.

I can show you a helluva lot of corrupt and evil fruit that came from Christianity. That was not the fault of Jesus though...

 

[Trailblazer]

You cannot apply this fallacy here because there is ONLY ONE CHRIST in the Bible and if one or A, B, C, or D claims he is/was the Christ, like Bahaullah, then that’s the false-christ.

The Bible is not the only Book of God.

Baha'u'llah did not claim to be Christ, He claimed to be the return of the Christ Spirit in another man.

There is nothing you can do to change history or God's Will. It's been done.

Jesus is not coming back to earth, EVER.

 

[Trailblazer]

No wonder why you guys are insisting or trying so hard that bahaullah was a descendant of King David of the Bible so you could VERIFY your existence or your fantasies in the real world.

The only fantasy is what Christians believe about the return of Jesus. How very sad.

 

[Trailblazer]

Read your own statements: "The Bible is the fantasy, apostles' writing means nothing" but bahaullah is "the Comforter and the Spirit of truth mentioned in the Bible."

You see how you contradict yourself here? Now, who is living in the fantasy world?

The Bible is not all a fantasy, just some of it. I meant that the apostles' writing something does not prove that it really happened.

 

[Trailblazer]

How many time I have to say this: baha-ullah, or the glory u llah/ a llah, is a NO NAME god/s of the bahai faith. Meaning this god/s could be anything because it has NO NAME, a John Doe or perhaps a Jane Doe/allat, on the other hand, the God of the Bible has a NAME and that is Jehovah.

For example: “And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God/El Almighty/Shaddai [or El Shaddai], but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.” –Exodus 6:3

IOW, the True God of the Bible “appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God/El Almighty/Shaddai” only, i.e., without a “PROPER NAME” yet, but now he would be known by HIS “PROPER NAME” as "Jehovah", just NOT to confuse Him with other gods that the Israelites were accustomed to, i.e, to the Egyptian gods, and for this reason God/Jehovah gave Moses this command, “Thou shalt have no other gods/elohim before me" –Exodus 20:3

So, God/Jehovah gave the Israelites a PROPER NAME so that Moses and the Israelites would know what "I am the LORD" meant. So, every time one of you guys, i.e., the bahai faith, see the word God in the Bible it does NOT mean “ullah/allah/allat” or any other gods but the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob based on Exodus 6:3 and that is, Jehovah.

You can say whatever you want about the Bible. The Bible can be twisted to mean anything you want it to mean. It does not really matter to me because I have a new religion. I live in the present, not in the past.

 

[Trailblazer]

The Lord Jesus DID NOT mention Bahaullah in the Book of John. Is this really hard to understand?

Jesus mentioned Baha'u'llah in John 14, 15 and 16, whenever He referred to the Comforter and the Spirit of truth.
Is that so hard for you to understand?

In Christianity, it is the last revelation of God to mankind. You could alter, adulterate, twist, or spin the Bible, any way you want, but the truth will come out and it’s evident in this thread that you guys are the liars, the deceiver.

Give me a break. Christians are so arrogant.

Christianity is not the last revelation from God to mankind. Islam came after Christianity and by the year 2050 Islam will overtake Christianity. Christianity will eventually be relegated to history, when people realize who Baha'ullah was. You cannot do anything about that but post on forums. That will not change reality.

 

[Trailblazer]

Jehovah and allah/ullah/allah are NOT the same God, period. Whatever “Progressive Revelation/Hindsight/Postdiction” you have, you should keep to yourself because NOT all are interested in your fantasy.

You mean Christians are not interested. No, Christians are only interested in their fantasy that Jesus is going to return someday. A greater fantasy than that there never was.

That is what this is all about. If Baha'is never claimed that Baha'u'llah was the return of Christ, Christians would not be bothered by our religion. Funny thing, Christians are not bothered by any other religion but Baha'i...

You cannot stomp out the Baha'i Faith by speaking out against it. That only causes it to be more widely known.
Why not just leave us alone and let history decide? If Christians are right, Jesus will return and clear it all up, but of they are wrong, they will just keep waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting....but it gives you something to look forward to...

 

[Trailblazer]

While you still have the time you should reconsider because you don't wanna miss these verses.

While you still have the time you should reconsider because you don't wanna miss these verses.

“The Revelation which, from time immemorial, hath been acclaimed as the Purpose and Promise of all the Prophets of God, and the most cherished Desire of His Messengers, hath now, by virtue of the pervasive Will of the Almighty and at His irresistible bidding, been revealed unto men. The advent of such a Revelation hath been heralded in all the sacred Scriptures. Behold how, notwithstanding such an announcement, mankind hath strayed from its path and shut out itself from its glory.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 5

“It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God’s appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that have preceded it. The designation “Seal of the Prophets” fully revealeth its high station. The Prophetic Cycle hath, verily, ended. The Eternal Truth is now come. He hath lifted up the Ensign of Power, and is now shedding upon the world the unclouded splendor of His Revelation.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 60

 

[Neb]

While you still have the time you should reconsider because you don't wanna miss these verses.

“The Revelation which, from time immemorial, hath been acclaimed as the Purpose and Promise of all the Prophets of God, and the most cherished Desire of His Messengers, hath now, by virtue of the pervasive Will of the Almighty and at His irresistible bidding, been revealed unto men. The advent of such a Revelation hath been heralded in all the sacred Scriptures. Behold how, notwithstanding such an announcement, mankind hath strayed from its path and shut out itself from its glory.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 5

“It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God’s appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that have preceded it. The designation “Seal of the Prophets” fully revealeth its high station. The Prophetic Cycle hath, verily, ended. The Eternal Truth is now come. He hath lifted up the Ensign of Power, and is now shedding upon the world the unclouded splendor of His Revelation.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 60

The main question here is, who is your god/s? Ullah/allah/allat, a NO NAME god/s, that's who.

 

[Neb]

You mean Christians are not interested. No, Christians are only interested in their fantasy that Jesus is going to return someday. A greater fantasy than that there never was.

Let the word of God answers your unbelief.
“Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” -2 PETER 3:3-4

 

[Neb]

That is what this is all about. If Baha'is never claimed that Baha'u'llah was the return of Christ, Christians would not be bothered by our religion. Funny thing, Christians are not bothered by any other religion but Baha'i...

Really? If I claimed that I’m the owner of the tallest building on earth, what proof do I have to show that it really belongs to me? A simple title of ownership, right? Do you have any proof that Bahaullah, a Gentile Persian Shiite, was “the promise of Christ Return.”? Based on the Bible you do not have any proof at all.

Christ 2nd coming exist only in the Bible. IOW, Christianity is the sole owner of this teaching, right? What you guys did is pirated or plagiarized this teaching and built it with your own twisted doctrines and preached it to your own people that Bahaullah was “the promise of Christ Return.”.

 

[Muffled]

If Jehovah and Allah are the same God then why they have different teachings?
Read this verses anyway.

1John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

I believe if you can ask that question then you can ask why the NT has different teaching from the OT. Must be different gods right?

 

[Muffled]

Ahhhhhh!
John's Revelation............ !
I wonder how many mushrooms he ate on that particular day.
And Jesus never spoke Greek, so omega and alpha is all just ........

I believe then that God doesn't answer your prayers because Jesus didn't speak English.

 

[Neb]

You cannot stomp out the Baha'i Faith by speaking out against it. That only causes it to be more widely known.

”more widely known” as liars, the deceiver.

Why not just leave us alone and let history decide?

Leave us/me alone by Michael Jackson? Two OPs by bahai faith members, Tony and Adrian [MIA], discrediting the Resurrection and the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus and here you are begging to “leave us alone”. The truth will prevail no matter what and that is what happening here.

 

[Neb]

If Christians are right, Jesus will return and clear it all up, but of they are wrong, they will just keep waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting....but it gives you something to look forward to...

We have the Bible to prove it, you don’t.

 

[Muffled]

If you would just accept that Baha’u’llah was the return of the Christ Spirit and the Representative of God among men, then you would not need to alter the meaning of what is in the Bible.

“Know assuredly that just as thou firmly believest that the Word of God, exalted be His glory, endureth for ever, thou must, likewise, believe with undoubting faith that its meaning can never be exhausted. They who are its appointed interpreters, they whose hearts are the repositories of its secrets, are, however, the only ones who can comprehend its manifold wisdom. Whoso, while reading the Sacred Scriptures, is tempted to choose therefrom whatever may suit him with which to challenge the authority of the Representative of God among men, is, indeed, as one dead, though to outward seeming he may walk and converse with his neighbors, and share with them their food and their drink.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 175-176

The Bible is not all a fantasy, just some of it. I meant that the apostles' writing something does not prove that it really happened.

The Bible is not the only Book of God.

Baha'u'llah did not claim to be Christ, He claimed to be the return of the Christ Spirit in another man.

There is nothing you can do to change history or God's Will. It's been done.

Jesus is not coming back to earth, EVER.

I believe there is absolutely no evidence to support that view.

The B man is not God in the flesh as Jesus was and his claim is false.

I believe that statement makes you a false prophet. Time will tell.

I would include the Qu'ran but all others are just religious philosophy except for maybe part of the Granth.

I believe it is the other way around. You have taken an a priori view of the Bible in order to substantiate the B'man.