Christian: Crazy doctrine

[sojourner]

I would suggest that the kingdom of CHRIST is not yet on earth. That seems to happen when CHRIST returns with HIS caught away CHURCH and sets up the MILLENNIUM Kingdom. During that time satan will be locked up.

Presently satan, who was the most beautiful perfect Cherub placed in charge of the earth, is still the ruler(See Isaiah 14:3-20). Metaphorically, the word Lucifer applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12).

Though his days are numbered, Lucifer is still rules over the earth. GOD of course sees the finished project and so one could say...

I thought Christ has already trampled Satan under his feet...

I disagree. I look around and I see the Body of Christ all around me.

 

[Katzpur]

There are essentially three levels.

Huh? Who taught you that?

The top level is occupied by those whose spirituality was exceeding here. The second level is occupied by those who weren't spiritually high but did not go about committing crimes, just ordinary people. The third level is occupied by those who did not treat their neighbors with love but robbed them, killed them or did anything even we humans find offensive.

Okay, I'm intrigued. Seriously, where did you get this idea from? I'm not saying you're wrong. I actually think you're right. I'm just wondering how you arrived at this conclusion.

 

[Enoch07]

Never heard of different levels of afterlife. I have heard something similar to what Catholics believe and that is your good deeds here on earth will represent your spiritual clothing in Heaven. No good deeds or bad deeds = raggedy looking worn out cloths, good deeds = fine silks etc.

 

[sojourner]

Never heard of different levels of afterlife. I have heard something similar to what Catholics believe and that is your good deeds here on earth will represent your spiritual clothing in Heaven. No good deeds or bad deeds = raggedy looking worn out cloths, good deeds = fine silks etc.

I agree. I don't think there are distinctions made.

 

[Apex]

Never heard of different levels of afterlife. I have heard something similar to what Catholics believe and that is your good deeds here on earth will represent your spiritual clothing in Heaven. No good deeds or bad deeds = raggedy looking worn out cloths, good deeds = fine silks etc.

Three levels of Heaven is a LDS belief.

 

[Enoch07]

Ahh ok sorry LDS peoples. I was ignorant on that one.

 

[Sisterariana]

The Word of God does speak about a Day of Judgement for person, but it never said that it would be the SAME day for each person. When a person dies that could be their Judgement Day. God is Sovereign- He could make hundreds of thousands of determinations per day.

 

[LittleNipper]

I thought Christ has already trampled Satan under his feet...

I disagree. I look around and I see the Body of Christ all around me.

GOD sees the broad picture. HE sees from start to finish. I do see the Body of CHRIST all around; however, I also see a much larger group of confused individuals----many whom are accepting all sorts of false doctrine, often because it's fashionable to do so...

 

[LittleNipper]

We are getting into more problems here because if we believe this it would mean that Jesus lied when He said, it is finished.

Jhn 17:4
I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
Jhn 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit. ​

The name Lucifer is mention only by Isaiah the rest of the scriptures call him Satan.

This makes me think that the rebellious Angel cast down from heavens is Satan and he is not Lucifer. What could it be meant by son of the morning start? “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds? I will be like the Most High.” As far as can see in the scripture the only ones ever to conceived such an idea were Adam and Eve at the instigation of Satan, so it get complicated does it? Who is the morning start?

Isa 14:16
"Those who see you will gaze at you, [And] consider you, [saying]: '[Is] this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, ​

I believe that Satan is not a man but a spirit. So this would point out to yet another character, a powerful king.
Satan was utterly defeated at the day of the Calvary.

I believe the word is star and not "start;" however, what CHRIST needed to do ----to allow man back into full communion with GOD is indeed finished. Satan has lost the war, but there are still battles to fight. GOD sees the finish, but Satan now seeks to tighten his own control while he still may over whom he will.

 

[LittleNipper]

Three levels of Heaven is a LDS belief.

See, I see this as confusion on the parts of LSD belief.

There are three heavens. One is the atmosphere around us and the sky above us.
The second heaven is composed of the solar system, galaxies, stars etc.
The third and final heaven is the abode of GOD--- which may be even in another dimension.

 

[Katzpur]

See, I see this as confusion on the parts of LSD belief.

There are three heavens. One is the atmosphere around us and the sky above us.
The second heaven is composed of the solar system, galaxies, stars etc.
The third and final heaven is the abode of GOD--- which may be even in another dimension.

And how do you come to this conclusion? See, in my opinion, you're the one who's confused. By the way, did you see my new thread on this topic? Is Heaven One-Size-Fits-All or Multi-Tiered?

 

[LittleNipper]

And how do you come to this conclusion? See, in my opinion, you're the one who's confused. By the way, did you see my new thread on this topic? Is Heaven One-Size-Fits-All or Multi-Tiered?

1. Definitions: The phrase “heaven and earth” is used to indicate the whole universe (Gen. 1:1; Jer. 23:24; Acts 17:24). According to the Jewish notion there were three heavens,
   1. The firmament, as “fowls of the heaven” (Gen. 2:19; 7:3, 23; Ps. 8:8, etc.), "the eagles of heaven" (Lam. 4:19), etc.
   2. The starry heavens (Deut. 17:3; Jer. 8:2; Matt. 24:29).
   3. “The heaven of heavens,” or “the third heaven” (Deut. 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Ps. 115:16; 148:4; 2 Cor. 12:2).
2. Meaning of words in the original:
   1. The usual Hebrew word for “heavens” is shamayim, a plural form meaning “heights,” “elevations” (Gen. 1:1; 2:1).
   2. The Hebrew word marom is also used (Ps. 68:18; 93:4; 102:19, etc.) as equivalent to shamayim, “high places,” “heights.”
   3. Hebrew: galgal, literally a “wheel,” is rendered “heaven” in Ps. 77:18 (R.V., “whirlwind”).
   4. Hebrew: shahak, rendered “sky” (Deut. 33:26; Job 37:18; Ps. 18:11), plural “clouds” (Job 35:5; 36:28; Ps. 68:34, marg. “heavens”), means probably the firmament.
   5. Hebrew: rakia is closely connected with d. and is rendered “firmamentum” in the Vulgate, whence our “firmament” (Gen. 1:6; Deut. 33:26, etc.), regarded as a solid expanse.
3. Metaphorical meaning of term: Isa. 14:13, 14; “doors of heaven” (Ps. 78:23); heaven “shut” (1 Kings 8:35); “opened” (Ezek. 1:1). (See 1 Chr. 21:16.)
4. Spiritual meaning: The place of the everlasting blessedness of the righteous; the abode of departed spirits.
   1. Christ calls it his “Father's house” (John 14:2).
   2. It is called “paradise” (Luke 23:43; 2 Cor. 12:4; Rev. 2:7).
   3. “The heavenly Jerusalem” (Gal. 4:26; Hebrews 12:22; Rev. 3:12).
   4. The “kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 25:1; James 2:5).
   5. The “eternal kingdom” (2 Pet. 1:11).
   6. The “eternal inheritance” (1 Pet. 1:4; Hebrews 9:15).
   7. The “better country” (Hebrews 11:14, 16).
   8. The blessed are said to "sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob," and to be "in Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22; Matt. 8:11); to “reign with Christ” (2 Tim. 2:12); and to enjoy “rest” (Hebrews 4:10, 11).

In heaven the blessedness of the righteous consists in the possession of “life everlasting,” “an eternal weight of glory” (2 Cor. 4:17), an exemption from all sufferings for ever, a deliverance from all evils (2 Cor. 5:1, 2) and from the society of the wicked (2 Tim. 4:18), bliss without termination, the “fulness of joy” for ever (Luke 20:36; 2 Cor. 4:16, 18; 1 Pet. 1:4; 5:10; 1 John 3:2). The believer's heaven is not only a state of everlasting blessedness, but also a “place”, a place “prepared” for them (John 14:2).