Christian Trump Supporters

[Kenny]

I became a Christian when I was 17, and that was 31 years ago. Now I feel old. Lol.

and 19 years after that, I feel ancient!

 

[Kooky]

I did say federal government, all citizens and government are to uphold the Constitution, this includes protecting innocent children in the womb. Violence against women who don’t want to carry to term??? No way man, the dude is to take full responsibility to provide for both.
People have to take responsibility for their decisions and when a pregnancy occurs as a result it’s wrong to just kill the child.
Seen as Trump is pro life and Democrats have no problem just killing the child is one of the reasons I voted for him.

So are you in favor of the state forcing women to carry a pregnancy to term against their will?

 

[Kooky]

Another side step.

Another dodge.

Are you saying that babies have no intrinsic freedom?

Behold: a baby

Feel free to rejoin this debate when you feel like you can approach it with intellectual honesty.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

and 19 years after that, I feel ancient!

That makes me feel better.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

It’s not a problem, would just start a different thread or why not a one on one conversation between you 2. Not sure the point in this thread.

It’s not as if metis and I are the only two people in this thread who are engaging in a discussion that isn’t exactly on topic with the OP. It’s not fair to single out me and metis, and complain about us while not acknowledging the other side discussions going on in this thread, too.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It’s not as if metis and I are the only two people in this thread who are engaging in a discussion that isn’t exactly on topic with the OP. It’s not fair to single out me and metis, and complain about us while not acknowledging the other side discussions going on in this thread, too.

Didn’t mean for you to feel singled out and go ahead and talk away, the original OP gets lost and might as well start a new one in my opinion.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So are you in favor of the state forcing women to carry a pregnancy to term against their will?

No, I’m in favor of the healthy communities that help people so they don’t have to make those decisions in the first place. People helping and supporting their neighbors. Building strong families and communities and this is done best by local communities.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Didn’t mean for you to feel singled out and go ahead and talk away, the original OP gets lost and might as well start a new one in my opinion.

I’d like to suggest that we drop this now, because it’s not productive, and I don’t want to continue being contentious towards you. I apologize for being harsh in my posts. I shouldn’t have been acting like that, so, I’m sorry.

 

[Kenny]

Another dodge.


Behold: a baby

Feel free to rejoin this debate when you feel like you can approach it with intellectual honesty.

Yes... a baby....

Science will catch up one day to its full potential.

Remember 21 weeks of a premature baby wasn't viable before:
Premature baby makes history as youngest preemie ever to survive

It really is a God miracle to see the growth of a baby, from your picture to mine

 

[Kenny]

That makes me feel better.

Merry Christmas at any age!

 

[Sand Dancer]

I hear ya. Netflix had a two-hour documentary on him, and they covered some of the "baggage" he grew up with, plus I've read several articles dealing with his past life, and these were not partisan "hit-jobs". He had sortofa love/hate relationship with his father, and his parents had a lot of trouble with raising him which is probably why he was sent to a boarding school and then a military-style school because the former couldn't even handle him. Some of his classmates also had mixed feelings towards him.

His first wife Ivana said that he kept NAZI reading material on his bedstand and would often read some, and she said that this would relax him. Sour grapes, I dunno, but he certainly has had a strong attraction to "strong leaders", including Putin and even Saddam Hussein.

Yeah, his dad was not a very nice person, and I think his mom just emotionally checked out. That definitely takes a toll on a person. Oh sheesh, we gotta check out politicians' pasts a little better than we have. We really need better people in Washington. Just say no to Nazis!

 

[Sand Dancer]

So are you in favor of the state forcing women to carry a pregnancy to term against their will?

Man, I wish men could get pregnant. Decisions are easy if they are not happening to you.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I’d like to suggest that we drop this now, because it’s not productive, and I don’t want to continue being contentious towards you. I apologize for being harsh in my posts. I shouldn’t have been acting like that, so, I’m sorry.

It’s all good, Merry Christmas and the best to you. Hope you prosper and do well this coming year.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Obviously, one is made righteous by their faith, not by their acts.

Yes, I see. So Trump can claim to have "faith" (which nobody asks him to demonstrate, because he probably couldn't remember Jesus's last name), and if he then goes on to grab random women by the kitty-cat (you know what I mean), he remains righteous. He can pardon real crooks, and try to lock up the innocent, but so what, if he has faith, eh?

Totally whacked view of things, in my opinion. But that pretty much describes religion, as I see it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And actually I doubt this exercise will go anywhere. Some people are adept at cherry picking the OT (not the NT) to find snippets to justify almost anything they like.

Disagree with your last point -- I've known people who can cherry pick just as easily from both testaments. And if they don't get what they want that way, can ignore both totally. (While still claiming total adherence to scripture, of course.)

 

[Kooky]

No, I’m in favor of the healthy communities that help people so they don’t have to make those decisions in the first place. People helping and supporting their neighbors. Building strong families and communities and this is done best by local communities.

And you think this will magically make all women want to carry every pregnancy to term?

And why would you vote for people who want the state to force women against their will when you yourself do not approve of that? Is forcing women just the lesser of two evils for you?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Yes, I see. So Trump can claim to have "faith" (which nobody asks him to demonstrate, because he probably couldn't remember Jesus's last name), and if he then goes on to grab random women by the kitty-cat (you know what I mean), he remains righteous. He can pardon real crooks, and try to lock up the innocent, but so what, if he has faith, eh?

Totally whacked view of things, in my opinion. But that pretty much describes religion, as I see it.

And it's one reason why people are getting fed up with the religious right.

 

[Nakosis]

Yes, I see. So Trump can claim to have "faith" (which nobody asks him to demonstrate, because he probably couldn't remember Jesus's last name), and if he then goes on to grab random women by the kitty-cat (you know what I mean), he remains righteous. He can pardon real crooks, and try to lock up the innocent, but so what, if he has faith, eh?

Totally whacked view of things, in my opinion. But that pretty much describes religion, as I see it.

Nothing really to do with Trump's faith.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And you think this will magically make all women want to carry every pregnancy to term?

And why would you vote for people who want the state to force women against their will when you yourself do not approve of that? Is forcing women just the lesser of two evils for you?

This kind of thinking you have is weird to me. So speaking up for the innocent children so they aren’t killed is now forcing women to do something? If you’re sincere in this I’m not sure what to make of that.

 

[Kooky]

This kind of thinking you have is weird to me. So speaking up for the innocent children so they aren’t killed is now forcing women to do something? If you’re sincere in this I’m not sure what to make of that.

The state isn't "speaking up", it is actively forcing women to carry pregnancies to term.
What did you think anti-abortion laws were there for?