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Christian, Would You Kill Your Son or Daughter if God Asked You To?

Christian, would you kill your son or daughter if god asked you to?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 20.0%

  • No

    Votes: 8 80.0%
  • Total voters
    10
FunctionalAtheist

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
Skwim said:
Genesis 22:1-10

"After these things God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” 2 He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.” 3 So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac; he cut the wood for the burnt offering, and set out and went to the place in the distance that God had shown him. 4 On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place far away. 5 Then Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey; the boy and I will go over there; we will worship, and then we will come back to you.” 6 Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. So the two of them walked on together. 7 Isaac said to his father Abraham, “Father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” He said, “The fire and the wood are here, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?” 8 Abraham said, “God himself will provide the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.” So the two of them walked on together.

9 When they came to the place that God had shown him, Abraham built an altar there and laid the wood in order. He bound his son Isaac, and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to kill his son.
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(Yes, I know he didn't do it.)

So . . . . . . . . . . . ?
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It was maybe 10 years ago, a woman slit open her children's bellies to release the demons, because god told her to.
 
Araceli Cianna

Araceli Cianna

Active Member
No? What? Who voted yes? If I heard God tell me to kill my own child I'd assume he was either a false god (i.e. demon) or just an unhealthy hallucination.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Skwim said:
Genesis 22:1-10

"After these things God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” 2 He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.” 3 So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac; he cut the wood for the burnt offering, and set out and went to the place in the distance that God had shown him. 4 On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place far away. 5 Then Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey; the boy and I will go over there; we will worship, and then we will come back to you.” 6 Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. So the two of them walked on together. 7 Isaac said to his father Abraham, “Father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” He said, “The fire and the wood are here, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?” 8 Abraham said, “God himself will provide the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.” So the two of them walked on together.

9 When they came to the place that God had shown him, Abraham built an altar there and laid the wood in order. He bound his son Isaac, and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to kill his son.
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(Yes, I know he didn't do it.)

So . . . . . . . . . . . ?
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If I believed in god, then yes, I would kill my child. I would not have expectations for god to send him to heaven just because he is a child. The point of being "god" and "creator and ruler of the universe" and in Christianity putting Christ even before your mother and father, is that you follow god's command regardless of how you think about it.

My co-worker, when her child was born, lifted her child to god in her hands as an offering and said whatever shall be done to him from god, shall be done without her say so. Total obedience.

What causes this obedience to an unseen force, I have no clue. Though, I have yet to meet and hear a believer say they would kill their child for god but at the same time say they love god more than their lives.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
DavidFirth said:
Somehow I think that if we were to kill your son by beating him severely, then crucifying him until dead while you had the power to stop it you wouldn't feel like you hadn't sacrificed anything.
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Unless he sacrificed his earthly pain, a sacrifice is loosing something for the welfare of another. Jesus can only be a sacrifice if he was not god. If he is god, he cannot be a sacrifice because his earthly flesh means nothing since his spirit was not corrupted with sin (as so trinitarians say).

He didn't sacrifice his life just the pain and hurt of his flesh so that others can share in his pain and when they die, just as she in the flesh, they would have new bodies and be spirit with god just as jesus.

Christians do not value the flesh (which they should if they are being saved); so, they are not saved by sacrifice by the pain of repentance.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Carlita said:
Unless he sacrificed his earthly pain, a sacrifice is loosing something for the welfare of another. Jesus can only be a sacrifice if he was not god. If he is god, he cannot be a sacrifice because his earthly flesh means nothing since his spirit was not corrupted with sin (as so trinitarians say).

He didn't sacrifice his life just the pain and hurt of his flesh so that others can share in his pain and when they die, just as she in the flesh, they would have new bodies and be spirit with god just as jesus.

Christians do not value the flesh (which they should if they are being saved); so, they are not saved by sacrifice by the pain of repentance.
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Jesus died. His body was in the tomb for 3 days. Your theory about being sacrificed only if He was not God is wrong. You theory concerning His sinlessness is wrong. He took on our sin and gave us His righteousness. A good reading of Romans will help you understand this.
 
The Emperor of Mankind

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
DavidFirth said:
Somehow I think that if we were to kill your son by beating him severely, then crucifying him until dead while you had the power to stop it you wouldn't feel like you hadn't sacrificed anything.
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That's a terrible analogy. God sent Jesus down to Earth knowing he'd be back up in Heaven afterwards. If you were to beat and kill my son he wouldn't reappear to me on Earth any time afterwards, nor could I just wish him back with a thought - the dead stay dead. He'd pay the ferryman and cross the Styx. Jesus continued existing after the death of his flesh yet he even got his body back - nail wounds and all - after being resurrected so he didn't even lose that. There was literally no sacrifice made by Jesus or by God. He only 'lost' his ephemeral form for a short while then got it back again. A sacrifice is by definition giving up something of value - Jesus was supposed to die for our 'sins', it was literally his raison d'etre - so he lost nothing of value. Indeed, Christians are taught not to value flesh because this life is transitory. So by that count his death wasn't a sacrifice because the only thing he gave up (temporarily) was life on Earth, and according to Christianity, that ain't worth much.

Honestly, I think we should start referring to Jesus as Schroedinger's Deity because he's required to be both alive and dead at any given moment.

Carlita said:
Christians do not value the flesh (which they should if they are being saved); so, they are not saved by sacrifice by the pain of repentance.
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leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
DavidFirth said:
Although most everyone already knows, it is important to note here that God stopped Abraham before he struck the child with the knife. The important thing to note here is that Abraham trusted God so much that he thought God quite capable of resurrecting Isaac from the dead, if that had proven necessary. This is great faith.

Later God sacrificed his own Son so it is not unreasonable of God to ask us to sacrifice ourselves for others and for Him if necessary.
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Don't you see a difference between Jesus' supposed sacrifice, knowing exactly what would happen after he died (rising from the dead, going to heaven) and a normal human who has no definitive knowledge as to what would happen to them or their child (no matter how much they believe or claim to know, they do not have definitive proof)? Personally, I don't think there is even a comparison. The only similarity would be that all would go through pain, but that isn't even close to the same thing.
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
A Greased Scotsman said:
That's a terrible analogy. God sent Jesus down to Earth knowing he'd be back up in Heaven afterwards. If you were to beat and kill my son he wouldn't reappear to me on Earth any time afterwards - the dead stay dead. He'd pay the ferryman and cross the Styx. Jesus continued existing after the death of his flesh yet he even got his body back - nail wounds and all - after being resurrected so he didn't even lose that. There was literally no sacrifice made by Jesus or by God. He only 'lost' his ephemeral form for a short while then got it back again. A sacrifice is by definition giving up something of value - Jesus was supposed to die for our 'sins', it was literally his raison d'etre - so he lost nothing of value. Indeed, Christians are taught not to value flesh because this life is transitory. So by that count his death wasn't a sacrifice because the only thing he gave up (temporarily) was life on Earth, and according to Christianity, that ain't worth much.
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It's because G-d sacrificing Himself to Himself makes no ****ing sens.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
DavidFirth said:
Yes, I am absolutely sure. Jesus was crucified after He was beaten severely. He ascended into heaven after rising from the dead.
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You can't rise from the dead and then say afterwards you actually died the first time around. It's a lie.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
DavidFirth said:
Somehow I think that if we were to kill your son by beating him severely, then crucifying him until dead while you had the power to stop it you wouldn't feel like you hadn't sacrificed anything.
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Not if you can bring him back better than ever.

It must be pain and suffering then, but the Bible needs immediate changing first to reflect that.
 
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